Dette sa Ratzinger om liturgien i 1988

«Vi må tilbake til det hellige i liturgien. Liturgien er ikke noe festlig; vi møtes ikke for å ha det hyggelig sammen. Det er ikke interessant at presten har strevd for å finne på noe nytt og overraskende i messen.» Dette sa kardinal Ratzinger i et foredrag til de chilenske biskopene i 1988, der hovedtemaet egentlig var Lefebvres splittelse.

While there are many motives that might have led a great number of people to seek a refuge in the traditional liturgy, the chief one is that they find the dignity of the sacred preserved there….

I confine myself to coming straight to this conclusion: we ought to get back the dimension of the sacred in the liturgy. The liturgy is not a festivity; it is not a meeting for the purpose of having a good time. It is of no importance that the parish priest has cudgeled his brains to come up with suggestive ideas or imaginative novelties.

The liturgy is what makes the Thrice-holy God present amongst us; it is the burning bush; it is the alliance of God with man in Jesus Christ, who has died and risen again. The grandeur of the liturgy does not rest upon the fact that it offers an interesting entertainment, but in rendering tangible the totally Other, whom we are not capable of summoning. He comes because He wills. In other words, the essential in the liturgy is the mystery, which is realized in the common ritual of the Church; all the rest diminishes it. Men experiment with it in lively fashion, and find themselves deceived, when the mystery is transformed into distraction, when the chief actor in the liturgy is not the living God but the priest or the liturgical director.

Hele Ratzingers tale kan leses her
(pdf), og jeg har tatt med flere ting fra den som handler om liturgien – og om sannhetsspørsmålet, og den rette forståelsen av vatikankonsilet:

THE LEFEBVRE SCHISM
(Given as a speech to the bishops of Chile assembled in Santiago, July 13, 1988, this
text was translated from Italian by Farley Clinton and appeared in The Wanderer.)

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While there are many motives that might have led a great number of people to seek a refuge in the traditional liturgy, the chief one is that they find the dignity of the sacred preserved there. After the council there were many priests who deliberately raised «desacralization» to the level of a program, on the plea that the New Testament abolished the cult of the temple: the veil of the temple which was torn from top to bottom at the moment of Christ’s death on the cross is, according to certain people, the sign of the end of the sacred. The death of Jesus, outside the city walls, that is to say, in the public world, is now the true religion. Religion, if it has any being at all, must have it in the non-sacredness of daily life, in love that is lived. Inspired by such reasoning, they put aside the sacred vestments; they have despoiled the churches as much as they could of that splendor which brings to mind the sacred; and they have reduced the liturgy to the language and the gestures of ordinary life, by means of greetings, common signs of friendship, and such things.

There is no doubt that with these theories and practices they have entirely disregarded the true connection between the Old and the New Testaments: it is forgotten that this world is not the Kingdom of God, and that the «Holy One of God» (John 6:69) continues to exist in contradiction to this world; that we have need of purification before we draw near to Him; that the profane, even after the death and the resurrection of Jesus, has not succeeded in becoming «the Holy.» The Risen One has appeared, but to those whose hearts have been opened to Him, to the Holy; He did not manifest Himself to everyone. It is in this way that a new space has been opened for the religion to which all of us should now submit; this religion which consists in drawing near to the community of the Risen One, at whose feet the women prostrated themselves and adored Him. I do not want to develop this point any further now; I confine myself to coming straight to this conclusion: we ought to get back the dimension of the sacred in the liturgy.

The liturgy is not a festivity; it is not a meeting for the purpose of having a good time. It is of no importance that the parish priest has cudgeled his brains to come up with suggestive ideas or imaginative novelties. The liturgy is what makes the Thrice-holy God present amongst us; it is the burning bush; it is the alliance of God with man in Jesus Christ, who has died and risen again. The grandeur of the liturgy does not rest upon the fact that it offers an interesting entertainment, but in rendering tangible the totally Other, whom we are not capable of summoning. He comes because He wills. In other words, the essential in the liturgy is the mystery, which is realized in the common ritual of the Church; all the rest diminishes it. Men experiment with it in lively fashion, and find themselves deceived, when the mystery is transformed into distraction, when the chief actor in the liturgy is not the living God but the priest or the liturgical director.

Aside from the liturgical question, the central points of conflict at present are Lefebvre’s attacks on the decree which deals with religious liberty, and on the so-called spirit of Assisi. Here is where Lefebvre fixes the boundaries between his position and that of the Catholic Church today.

I need hardly say in so many words that what he is saying on these points is unacceptable. Here we do not wish to consider his errors, rather we want to ask where there is a lack of clarity in ourselves. For Lefebvre, what is at stake is the warfare against ideological liberalism, against the relativization of truth. Obviously we are not in agreement with him that – understood according to the pope’s intentions – the text of the council or the prayer of Assisi were relativizing.

It is a necessary task to defend the Second Vatican Council against Monsignor Lefebvre, as valid, and as binding upon the Church. Certainly there is a mentality of narrow views that isolates Vatican II and which has provoked this opposition. There are many accounts of it which give the impression that, from Vatican II onward, everything has been changed, and that what preceded it has no value or, at best, has value only in the light of Vatican II.

The Second Vatican Council has not been treated as a part of the entire living tradition of the Church, but as an end of tradition, a new start from zero. The truth is that this particular council defined no dogma at all, and deliberately chose to remain on a modest level, as a merely pastoral council; and yet many treat it as though it had made itself into a sort of super-dogma which takes away the importance of all the rest.

This idea is made stronger by things that are now happening. That which previously was considered most holy – the form in which the liturgy was handed down – suddenly appears as the most forbidden of all things, the one thing that can safely be prohibited. It is intolerable to criticize decisions which have been taken since the council; on the other hand, if men make question of ancient rules, or even of the great truths of the faith – for instance, the corporal virginity of Mary, the bodily resurrection of Jesus, the immortality of the soul, etc. – nobody complains or only does so with the greatest moderation. I myself, when I was a professor, have seen how the very same bishop who, before the council, had fired a teacher, who was really irreproachable, for a certain crudeness of speech, was not prepared, after the council, to dismiss a professor who openly denied certain fundamental truths of the faith.

All this leads a great number of people to ask themselves if the Church of today is really the same as that of yesterday, or if they have changed it for something else without telling people. The one way in which Vatican II can be made plausible is to present it as it is: one part of the unbroken, the unique tradition of the Church and of her faith.

In the spiritual movements of the post-conciliar era, there is not the slightest doubt that frequently there has been an obliviousness, or even a suppression, of the issue of truth: here perhaps we confront the crucial problem for theology and for pastoral work today.

The «truth» is thought to be a claim that is too exalted, a «triumphalism» that cannot be permitted any longer. You see this attitude plainly in the crisis that troubles the missionary ideal and missionary practice. If we do not point to the truth in announcing our faith, and if this truth is no longer essential for the salvation of man, then the missions lose their meaning. In effect, the conclusion has been drawn, and it is being drawn today, that in the future we need only seek that Christians should be good Christians, Moslems good Moslems, Hindus good Hindus, and so forth. If it comes to that, how are we to know when one is a «good» Christian or a «good» Moslem?

The idea that all religions are – if you talk seriously – only symbols of what ultimately is the incomprehensible, is rapidly gaining ground in theology, and has already deeply penetrated into liturgical practice. When things get to this point, faith as such is left behind, because faith really consists in the fact that I am committing myself to the truth so far as it is known. So in this matter also there is every motive to return to the right path.

If once again we succeed in pointing out and living the fullness of the Catholic religion with regard to these points, we may hope that the schism of Lefebvre will not be of long duration.

JOSEPH CARDINAL RATZINGER

7 hendelser på “Dette sa Ratzinger om liturgien i 1988”

  1. En latinsk messe hadde jeg godt kunne tenkt meg å vært på en gang. Det er synd Nidarosdomen er protestantisk, egentlig så mener jeg de burde gi den tilbake til DKK. Det hadde jo vært noe helt annet om den var katolsk! Har aldri det vært i dnK tanker å gi tilbake det de tok fra dKK en gang i tiden?

  2. DNK burde så absolutt gi den, og alle andre flotte Katolske kirker de røvet tilbake, pluss betale erstattning for alt de har røvet. Kjekt du har lyst å være med på TLM. Send meg gjerne en mail om hvor du holder til, så kan jeg undersøke om det er et tilbud der du er.

  3. «DNK burde så absolutt gi den, og alle andre flotte Katolske kirker de røvet tilbake, pluss betale erstattning for alt de har røvet.»
    Helt enig! ;) Jeg tenkte også på stavkirkene, men så tankte jeg å begynne litt beskjedent! :) Det blir helt feil når f.eks. Nidarosdomen ikke er katolsk…
    TLM er det messe på Latinsk? Jeg bor ikke så langt i fra Fredrikstad!

  4. Ha ha! Kan aldri tenke meg at en eneste kirke blir gitt tilbake. Særlig ikke «nasjonalhelligdom(m)en». Men de leverer jo tilbake et par katolikker i året da. :)

  5. Mishka – veldig artig sagt, at de leverer tilbake et par katolikker i året! Ha ha! Det finnes ellers en side om å få tilbake Nidarosdomen som jeg rett og slett hadde glemt til akkurat i dette øyeblikk og har derfor desverre ikke linken. Har ikke sett siden selv, (at det går an) har bare hørt at noen katolske studenter i Bergen ble inspirert av fjorårets parole i Bergen om at «gullet skal hem». Så denne siden, hvor man også kan skrive sin støtte-erklæring, heter NIDAROSDOMEN SKAL HEM! Kan jo være verdt å sjekke opp.
    Helt seriøst har jeg altid ment at den «skal hem», uavhengig av om DNK skiller seg fra staten eller ikke. Og ikke skal den lages om til noen sånn økumenisk greie heller, som de har gjort med noen restaurerte middelalderkirker. Vi skal ikke late som noen ting lenger – Nidarosdomen hadde aldri blitt reist av kristne trossamfunn som ikke anerkjenner helgener, og akkurat dét er vel sånn «kose-økumenikk» når kristne samfunn som ikke anerkjenner helgener skal ha part i en helgenkirke. En annen kirke som er like viktig å få igjen er stavkirken i Røldal med det undergjørende krusifikset. Så vidt jeg vet er det originalkorset som henger der den dag i dag, altså det undergjørende. Hvis originalen er på et museum, bør det røskes ut derfra umiddelbart og «settes i bruk» som det skal. Ja – ikke bokstavelig RØSKES ut da, eldgmle hellige gjenstander må behandles både forsiktig og vakkert. Men dere skjønner hva jeg mener.

  6. til Anna. Vil bare si at Nidarosdomen ikke er en helgenkirke. Den er en Kristkirke, men den er jo mest kjennt for at St. Olav ble skrinlagt der.Ellers er jeg helt enig,vi må få den tilbake.Hva mener dere foresten om regjeringens siste utspill om pilegrimer?

  7. Pater Haram skriver også om en Katolsk stein som handler litt om Nidarosdomen: http://arnfinnharam.wordpress.com/2007/11/01/olavsteinen-relikvie-eller-snublestein/

    Det finnes en Facebook gruppe for denne saken. Kom også over en artikkel i Broen som så interesang ut ang. at vi Katolikker er for stille i samfunnet.

    Kjekt og se at det er så mange som er enige om dette!

    Rudie: TLM er forkortelsen for Tridentine Latin Mass på engelsk, så det er tridentinsk messe oversatt til norsk. Den leses på Latin av Presten. Jeg kommer ikke på noe nærme Fredrikstad. Da må gjerne Trond hjelpe. Spør gjerne Pastoren din også om han vil begynne å lese den.

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