{"id":1012,"date":"2011-02-16T15:26:30","date_gmt":"2011-02-16T14:26:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=1012"},"modified":"2011-02-17T07:23:09","modified_gmt":"2011-02-17T06:23:09","slug":"mer-om-anden-fra-vatikankonsilet-har-den-oppgitt-anden","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2011\/02\/mer-om-anden-fra-vatikankonsilet-har-den-oppgitt-anden\/","title":{"rendered":"Mer om &laquo;\u00e5nden fra Vatikankonsilet&raquo; &#8211; har den &laquo;oppgitt \u00e5nden&raquo;?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>(Jeg krever kanskje for mye av bloggens lesere n\u00e5r jeg har slike overskrifter; det handler jo ikke her om \u00e5 stille sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l til selve Vatikankonsilet, men om \u00e5 angripe en (feilaktig) tolkning av konsilet, som p\u00e5 flere omr\u00e5det var feilaktig &#8211; og altfor radikal. Jeg kan ogs\u00e5 legge til at jeg ikke uten videre &#8216;kj\u00f8per&#8217; Damian Thompsons argumenter her, han koker kanskje i for stor grad suppe p\u00e5 en spiker.)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/bilder\/vatican2.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"vatican2\" width=\"460\" height=\"249\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1013\" \/><br \/>\nSom en fortsettelse av <a href=\"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2011\/02\/siste-krampetrekning-fra-anden-fra-vatikankonsilet\/\">mitt innlegg for to dager siden<\/a>, leser jeg n\u00e5 idag:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&laquo;The Spirit of Vatican II\u201d isn\u2019t so much a concept as a slogan. For over 40 years it\u2019s been used to justify innovations ranging from Mass in the vernacular (like it or not, an overwhelmingly popular change) to co-consecration by \u201ceucharistic ministers\u201d (a heretical fantasy once widely indulged in \u201cprogressive\u201d parishes). Above all, the Spirit of Vatican II \u2013 a post-conciliar phenomenon rather than something that emerged during the Council \u2013 has branded itself as the empowerment of lay people. The truth is more complicated. &#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>As for clergy, embracing the Spirit of Vatican II has been a necessary but not sufficient condition for getting on. Most of today\u2019s bishops were steeped in \u201ccollaborative ministry\u201d long before they received their mitres. Traditionally, a liberal English bishop could hold his own in a room full of Tabletistas, rolling his eyes at the mention of the Vatican to show that he was On Their Side but also moderating their more querulous demands. In the past he may have interfered on their behalf in parishes, too, if he caught a conservative priest trying to Turn Back the Clock. &#8230;. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>N\u00e5 holder dette \u00e5 forandres, mener Damian Thompson &#8211; og i Engalnd skyldes forandringa aller mest pave Benedikts bes\u00f8k i fjor h\u00f8st. <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/damianthompson\/100076025\/is-the-so-called-spirit-of-vatican-ii-finally-waning\/\">Les hva han skriver her<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(Jeg krever kanskje for mye av bloggens lesere n\u00e5r jeg har slike overskrifter; det handler jo ikke her om \u00e5 stille sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l til selve Vatikankonsilet, men om \u00e5 angripe en (feilaktig) tolkning av konsilet, som p\u00e5 flere omr\u00e5det var feilaktig &#8211; og altfor radikal. Jeg kan ogs\u00e5 legge til at jeg ikke uten videre &#8216;kj\u00f8per&#8217; [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1012","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1012","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1012"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1012\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1014,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1012\/revisions\/1014"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1012"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1012"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1012"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}