{"id":10122,"date":"2015-11-13T08:14:51","date_gmt":"2015-11-13T07:14:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=10122"},"modified":"2015-11-13T12:04:35","modified_gmt":"2015-11-13T11:04:35","slug":"romano-guardini-om-alterets-plass-og-messens-struktur","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2015\/11\/romano-guardini-om-alterets-plass-og-messens-struktur\/","title":{"rendered":"Romano Guardini om alterets plass og messens struktur"},"content":{"rendered":"

Jeg nevnte noen ganger i august 2011 – HER<\/a>, HER<\/a> og HER<\/a> et foredrag av professor Manfred Hauke (som jeg fant p\u00e5 NLM-bloggen<\/a>). I foredraget var det f\u00f8rste og fremst noen tanker av Romano Guardini (som var s\u00e5 viktig for Ratzinger) som kan forklare hvordan vi er kommet dit vi er i dag; at messen knapt forst\u00e5s som et offer b\u00e5ret fram for Gud mer. Slik leser vi<\/a>:<\/p>\n

The discussion of our topic, in its stricter sense, begins in 1939 with some meditations of Romano Guardini, \u2026 The core of the discussion revolves around the idea that, according to Guardini, the \u201cstructure\u201d (or \u201cform, figure, shape\u201d, in German Gestalt) and its \u201ccontent\u201d (Gehalt) are entirely different things: the Holy Mass, in its \u201cstructure\u201d, is a meal, but its \u201ccontent\u201d is a sacrifice. This divergence between liturgical structure and dogmatic content, according to Ratzinger, \u201cmust be regarded as the central problem of the liturgical reform. Failure to deal with it has resulted in a great many of the individual problems which have since preoccupied us.\u201d …<\/p>\n

… Guardini refers especially to the Last Supper, and then continues: \u201cThe supporting structure of the Mass is the meal. The sacrifice does not emerge as structure, but remains behind the whole. In this way, it is not pushed back. Already in the history of religion, every cultic meal, or even ultimately every meal, depends on it. \u2026 The animal that should serve for food must be immolated, properly speaking, before the altar, because blood and life belong to God \u2026 From the altar, from the hands of the Lord, man then receives the immolated victim and uses it as nourishment.\u201d Applied to the Mass, this means: \u201cIts structure is the meal; behind it \u2013 not as structure, but as reality, as fountain, as condition \u2013 is the sacrifice.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Guardini forstod selv ganske snart at hans tanker ble misforst\u00e5tt av mange – jeg m\u00e5 innr\u00f8mme at jeg ikke selv forst\u00e5r hva han mener, enten tenker han for avansert, eller rett og slett feil – og han gjorde forandringer i senere utgaver av skriftet:<\/p>\n

In the fourth edition of 1947, Guardini omits his expositions on the \u201cstructure\u201d of the Holy Mass. He explains this omission in his preface, writing: \u201cthe chapter \u2018The Form of Commemoration, the Meal\u2019 \u2026 had to be omitted because it gave rise to certain misunderstandings. \u2026 The reflections of the chapter dealt with \u2026 a pure problem of form [Formproblem]. They were not, however, understood in this way, but they were implicated in the old controversy in which the Catholic doctrine says that the Mass is \u2018a true and proper sacrifice\u2019 … The reflections of the mentioned chapter did not concern, not even in a minimal way, this controversy. …<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

P\u00e5 tross av dette inneholdt senere utgaver likevel det Guardini selv hadde tatt bort.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Jeg nevnte noen ganger i august 2011 – HER, HER og HER et foredrag av professor Manfred Hauke (som jeg fant p\u00e5 NLM-bloggen). I foredraget var det f\u00f8rste og fremst noen tanker av Romano Guardini (som var s\u00e5 viktig for Ratzinger) som kan forklare hvordan vi er kommet dit vi er i dag; at messen […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,11,15],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-10122","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk","category-liturgi","category-teologi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10122","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=10122"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10122\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":10142,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10122\/revisions\/10142"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=10122"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=10122"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=10122"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}