{"id":10826,"date":"2016-04-02T21:49:25","date_gmt":"2016-04-02T19:49:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=10826"},"modified":"2016-04-04T10:45:28","modified_gmt":"2016-04-04T08:45:28","slug":"en-tradisjonalist-har-begynt-a-like-den-nye-messen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2016\/04\/en-tradisjonalist-har-begynt-a-like-den-nye-messen\/","title":{"rendered":"En tradisjonalist har begynt \u00e5 like den nye messen"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\nI England har Damian Thompson lenge v\u00e6rt en kjent katolsk journalist og blogger, og han har oftest kritisert de liberale kreftene i Kirken, og bl.a. elsket den tradisjonelle latinske messen. N\u00e5 ser dette ut til \u00e5 ha forandret seg, kan vi lese i Catholic Herald<\/a> (og nyheten diskuteres p\u00e5 en progressiv liturgiblogg<\/a>):<\/p>\n

… In the past few years I\u2019ve been reintegrated into the ordinary Catholic Church. The process began when a musician friend started taking me to the low-key Sunday evening Mass at Farm Street. But things really picked up when I began regular attendance at the church opposite my flat, St Mary of the Angels, Notting Hill. My parish priest is the lovely Mgr Keith Barltrop, who has banished the last remnants of BCM (Bad Catholic Music); on Friday the shivers ran up my spine when, as I queued for the Adoration of the Cross, the organ struck up a familiar ground bass and I heard the Crucifixus of Bach\u2019s B Minor Mass, exquisitely performed by a small choir that must have had professional singers in it. I fought back tears, which is how it should be on Good Friday.<\/p>\n

Thanks to Fr Keith, there are proper candles in the sanctuary and a \u201cBenedict Cross\u201d on the altar. The servers are nicely drilled. But lots of them are girls and at every Mass there are lay ministers of Holy Communion. The sign of peace can be quite exuberant.<\/p>\n

And it doesn\u2019t bother me in the least. These are signs of the comforting \u201cordinariness\u201d of worship that takes me back to my Catholic childhood. Indeed, the longer I attend, the more I realise that the cradle bits of my Catholicism never went away, though they\u2019re not necessarily very edifying.<\/p>\n

For example, my hearts leaps \u2013 just as it did in 1975 \u2013 when I hear the priest say the words, \u201cthe fount of all holiness\u201d because it means he\u2019s gone for the Second Eucharistic Prayer and it\u2019s the shortest. Worse, I groan when the priest settles down for his moment of private prayer after Communion. The 13-year-old in me still thinks: come on, Father, we\u2019re so tantalisingly near the end. …<\/p>\n

I\u2019m not going to try to justify these sentiments to David, my new fellow Catholic; you can\u2019t expect a convert to understand. But they don\u2019t really matter, either, because short Masses can be very uplifting. Parish priests, please note.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Muligens har det tradisjonalistiske milj\u00f8et der Thompson har vanket v\u00e6rt for elitistisk, muligens har de overdrevet h\u00f8ytideligheten i liturgien – jeg leste f.eks. for flere \u00e5r siden at pave Pius X (for litt over 100 \u00e5r siden) bemerket at prestene ikke m\u00e5tte forlenge messene un\u00f8dig (og slik irritere de troende). Jeg legger ogs\u00e5 merke til at Thompson har funnet en menighet der messen feires noenlunde verdig, og presten (som var min rektor p\u00e5 Allen Hall presteseminar da jeg var student der i 1997-98) har sluttet \u00e5 bruke de aller d\u00e5rligste messe»salmene».<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

I England har Damian Thompson lenge v\u00e6rt en kjent katolsk journalist og blogger, og han har oftest kritisert de liberale kreftene i Kirken, og bl.a. elsket den tradisjonelle latinske messen. N\u00e5 ser dette ut til \u00e5 ha forandret seg, kan vi lese i Catholic Herald (og nyheten diskuteres p\u00e5 en progressiv liturgiblogg): … In the […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,11,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-10826","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk","category-liturgi","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10826","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=10826"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10826\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":10840,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10826\/revisions\/10840"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=10826"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=10826"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=10826"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}