{"id":1148,"date":"2011-03-26T08:28:23","date_gmt":"2011-03-26T07:28:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=1148"},"modified":"2011-03-26T08:28:23","modified_gmt":"2011-03-26T07:28:23","slug":"skal-alle-seminarister-matte-laere-den-tradisjonelle-latinske-messen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2011\/03\/skal-alle-seminarister-matte-laere-den-tradisjonelle-latinske-messen\/","title":{"rendered":"Skal alle seminarister m\u00e5tte l\u00e6re den tradisjonelle latinske messen?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Dette antyder Damian Thompson<\/a> p\u00e5 sin blogg, n\u00e5r han kommenterer John Allens stykke (som jeg nevnte her<\/a>) om bl.a. dokumentet som skal forklare pave Benediiks \u00e5pning for den tradisjonelle messen. (Alle kommenterer ogs\u00e5 Vatikanets forhold til tradisjonalistene, men dette bryr ikke Damian T. seg s\u00e5 mye om.) Han skriver:<\/p>\n

Will it soon be a requirement for Catholic seminarians to learn to say the Traditional Latin Mass? Bobbie Mickens made this claim in the Tablet a couple of weeks ago \u2013 just think how livid he must be at the prospect! \u2013 and now John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter is saying exactly the same thing. He reckons that Ecclesia Dei\u2019s forthcoming instruction on the implementation of Summorum Pontificum will \u201ccall for seminarians to be trained not just in Latin, but in the older rite itself, at least so they will know how to execute it faithfully and understand what\u2019s being said\u201d.<\/p>\n

… the proposal to teach all seminarians to celebrate the Tridentine Mass is a seriously big deal. In many ways it\u2019s as radical as Summorum Pontificum itself.<\/p>\n

According to John Allen, bishops around the world \u201chaven\u2019t exactly bent over backwards\u201d to make the Old Mass widely available since 2007. That sounds about right. In England and Wales, most dioceses don\u2019t flagrantly disregard Summorum Pontificum \u2013 but they don\u2019t need to. On paper, the self-implementing features of the motu proprio challenge the power of the bishop: a priest doesn\u2019t need permission to celebrate the EF. In practice, it\u2019s easy to turn the document into a dead letter, since most parish priests come from a Vatican II generation unsympathetic to traditional rubrics and most lay people have never been near a Tridentine Mass and don\u2019t know what they\u2019re missing.<\/p>\n

I don\u2019t think the older form of the Roman Rite will ever supplant the vernacular liturgy. But we won\u2019t discover the true level of demand for it until there are priests happy to celebrate it \u2013 offering it, perhaps, as an early morning service like BCP Holy Communion in Anglican parishes, or as the centrepiece of particular feast days. Most of the pious young Catholics I know agree with Pope Benedict that the Ordinary and Extraordinary forms of the Roman Rite should complement each other …<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Dette antyder Damian Thompson p\u00e5 sin blogg, n\u00e5r han kommenterer John Allens stykke (som jeg nevnte her) om bl.a. dokumentet som skal forklare pave Benediiks \u00e5pning for den tradisjonelle messen. (Alle kommenterer ogs\u00e5 Vatikanets forhold til tradisjonalistene, men dette bryr ikke Damian T. seg s\u00e5 mye om.) Han skriver: Will it soon be a requirement […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1148","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1148","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1148"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1148\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1148"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1148"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1148"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}