{"id":1163,"date":"2011-03-31T12:02:35","date_gmt":"2011-03-31T10:02:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=1163"},"modified":"2017-10-16T08:25:05","modified_gmt":"2017-10-16T06:25:05","slug":"hvordan-den-tradisjonelle-messen-har-pavirket-maten-jeg-sier-den-nye-messen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2011\/03\/hvordan-den-tradisjonelle-messen-har-pavirket-maten-jeg-sier-den-nye-messen\/","title":{"rendered":"Hvordan den tradisjonelle messen har p\u00e5virket m\u00e5ten jeg sier den nye messen"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>For noen f\u00e5 dager siden skrev jeg min f\u00f8rste kommentar p\u00e5 Father John Zuhlsdorfs kjente blogg &laquo;What does the Prayer Really Say&raquo;. Det er kommentar nr. 263 116 p\u00e5 hans blogg (han har stor trafikk!) og <a href=\"http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/2011\/03\/things-of-the-1960s-should-remain-in-the-1960s\/#comment-263116\">kan leses her<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Det dreide seg litt om innflytelse mellom den gamle og den nye messen, og Father Z. spurte meg i neste kommentar:  &laquo;I would be pleased to hear more about how the old Mass has changed the way you say the newer Mass.&raquo;<\/p>\n<p>N\u00e5 har jeg skrevet en slik betraktning (p\u00e5 engelsk selvsagt) og \u00e5pner slik:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>HOW THE OLD MASS HAS CHANGED THE WAY I SAY THE NEWER MASS<\/p>\n<p>From the old mass I have first of all taken with me <strong>the FOCUS of the priest in the mass<\/strong> &#8211; the focus on God, on offering up to God the perfect sacrifice of Christ \u2013 making all other things less important.<\/p>\n<p>The vesting prayers in the sacristy help the priest with this focus &#8211; showing him his own unworthiness and need for God&#8217;s help and grace. I end these prayers with &laquo;Ego volo celebrare Missam, et conficere corpus et sanguinem D\u00f3mini nostri Jesu Christi, \u2026 &raquo; expressing what the mass is. Then I walk into church with this same focus &#8211; not looking at people. With this same focus I genuflect before the altar, praying &laquo;Aufer a nobis &#8230;&raquo; as I walk up to the altar, and &laquo;Oramus te, Domine ..&raquo; as I kiss it \u2013 these are prayers asking for purification and forgiveness of my sins. As I kiss the altar at the end of mass I have also taken from the old mass the prayer &laquo;Placeat tibi &#8230;&raquo;. This prayer sums up very well what the mass is all about: &laquo;May the tribute of my humble ministry be pleasing &#8230;&raquo; and &laquo;Through your mercy may it bring forgiveness to me and to all for whom I have offered it&raquo;.<\/p>\n<p>So the main contribution from the traditional mass in on the FOCUS it gives the priest. In the following paragraphs I will also mention some more details about how the traditional rubrics help keep this focus: &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>S\u00e5 f\u00f8lger en del punkter, som <a href=\"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/filer\/11march_old_new_mass.pdf\">kan leses i sin helhet her<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For noen f\u00e5 dager siden skrev jeg min f\u00f8rste kommentar p\u00e5 Father John Zuhlsdorfs kjente blogg &laquo;What does the Prayer Really Say&raquo;. Det er kommentar nr. 263 116 p\u00e5 hans blogg (han har stor trafikk!) og kan leses her. Det dreide seg litt om innflytelse mellom den gamle og den nye messen, og Father Z. 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