{"id":11938,"date":"2017-03-24T10:53:39","date_gmt":"2017-03-24T09:53:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=11938"},"modified":"2017-03-26T07:56:46","modified_gmt":"2017-03-26T06:56:46","slug":"kondisjonell-dap-av-konvertitter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2017\/03\/kondisjonell-dap-av-konvertitter\/","title":{"rendered":"Kondisjonell d\u00e5p av konvertitter"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Da jeg for ikke lenge siden bes\u00f8kte det benediktinske Abbediet St. Maurice og St. Maurus, i Clervaux, Luxemburg, s\u00e5 jeg et bilde av den kjente islandske forfatteren, Halldor Laxness, som ble <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Halld%C3%B3r_Laxness#1920s\">d\u00f8pt i abbediet i p\u00e5sken 1923<\/a>. Han var avbildet p\u00e5 kirketrappen med hvit kappe og stort d\u00e5pslys i h\u00e5nden. Men jeg leste ogs\u00e5 mer om Laxness i en bok i abbediets bibliotek, og ble ganske forundret da jeg s\u00e5 at han allerede var barned\u00f8pt hjemme p\u00e5 Island. D\u00f8pte man lutherske katolikker p\u00e5 nytt p\u00e5 den tiden, tenkte jeg. Det hadde jeg nok ogs\u00e5 h\u00f8rt f\u00f8r, men da trodde jeg d\u00e5pen foregikk i en mer privat og diskret seremoni.<\/p>\n<p>Jeg jobber n\u00e5 med en artikkel og den englske forfatteren og konvertitten Evelyn Waugh, som konverterte i 1930. Jeg har ikke funnet ut om han ble kondisjonelt d\u00f8pt ved sin opptagelse, men det ble to av hans sv\u00e6rt kjente forfatterkollegaer.<\/p>\n<p>G. K. Chesterton konverterte i 1920, og det foregikk slik:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230; At about three o&#8217;clock they set off for the Railway Hotel. Chesterton `bad no doubts or difficulties just before&#8217; his reception into the Church\u2014`only fears, fears of something that had the finality and simplicity of suicide&#8217;. While Chesterton made his confession to Father O&#8217;Connor, Frances, who was weeping, and Dom Ignatius Rice sat in the hotel bar. After conditional baptism had been administered, the two priests left Chesterton and Frances by themselves in the makeshift chapel. Returning to collect something he had forgotten, Rice saw them coming down the aisle, Chesterton with a comforting arm round his weeping wife (not all her tears were of grief, O&#8217;Connor thought). &#8230;.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Graham Green konverterte i 1926, og slik beskrives det:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230; The first General Confession, which precedes conditional Baptism and which covers the whole of man\u2019s previous life, is a humiliating ordeal. Later we may become hardened to the formulas of Confession and skeptical about ourselves: we may only half intend to keep the promises we make, until continual failure or the circumstances of our private life finally make it impossible to make any promises at all and many of us abandon Confession and Communion to join the Foreign Legion of the Church and fight for a city of which we are no longer full citizens. But in the first Confession a convert really believes in his own promises. I carried mine down with me like heavy stones into an empty corner of the Cathedral, dark already in the early afternoon, and the only witness of my Baptism was a woman who had been dusting the chairs. I took the name of Thomas\u2014after St. Thomas the doubter and not Thomas Aquinas\u2014and then I went on to the Nottingham Journal office and football results and the evening of potato chips. &#8230; <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Jeg har tidligere ogs\u00e5 tenkt at Sigrid Undset, som konverterte i 1924, ble kondisjonelt d\u00f8pt, men om dette <a href=\"https:\/\/legdominikaner.blog\/2010\/02\/27\/sr-olave-sigrid-undset-t-o-p\/\">skriver bloggen Legdominikaner<\/a>: <em>&laquo;Noen har spurt seg om hun ved denne anledning ogs\u00e5 ble d\u00f8pt p\u00e5 nytt, men det er ikke tilfelle: den lutherske d\u00e5p var ogs\u00e5 dengang anerkjent som gyldig av Den katolske kirke. Biskop Fallize uttrykte iallfall dette klart i en kommentar 1896.&raquo;<\/em> Det virker som de ogs\u00e5 mangler konkret informasjon (og jeg har for meg, men husker ikke hvor jeg har h\u00f8rt det, at Undset ogs\u00e5 ble kondisjonalt d\u00f8pt). Kanskje noen lesere kan hjelpe meg.<\/p>\n<p>Til slutt nevner jeg ogs\u00e5 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.katolsk.no\/biografier\/historisk\/ehesselb\">Elisabeth Hesselblad<\/a> (helligk\u00e5ret i 2016), hennes opptagelse i Kirken i 1902 beskrives slik: <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Elisabeth Hesselblad emigrerte ved 18 \u00e5rs alder til USA, der hun arbeidet som sykepleierske. I USA ble hun kjent med Den katolske Kirke gjennom de mange irske innvandrerne \u2013 mange av dem var hennes pasienter som var kommet til skade ved byggearbeidene p\u00e5 den nye katolske katedralen St. Patrick i New York City. I USA konverterte hun ogs\u00e5 til den katolske kirke, ved kondisjonell d\u00e5p i Washington D.C. i 1902, etter konvertittundervisning hos jesuittene.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2017\/03\/mer-om-kondisjonell-dap\/\">I et annet innlegg<\/a> tar jeg med hva The Catholic Encyclopedia fra 1917 skriver om dette.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Da jeg for ikke lenge siden bes\u00f8kte det benediktinske Abbediet St. Maurice og St. Maurus, i Clervaux, Luxemburg, s\u00e5 jeg et bilde av den kjente islandske forfatteren, Halldor Laxness, som ble d\u00f8pt i abbediet i p\u00e5sken 1923. Han var avbildet p\u00e5 kirketrappen med hvit kappe og stort d\u00e5pslys i h\u00e5nden. Men jeg leste ogs\u00e5 mer [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,14],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11938","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk","category-okumenikk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11938","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=11938"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11938\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":11952,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11938\/revisions\/11952"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11938"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=11938"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=11938"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}