{"id":12287,"date":"2017-08-16T13:04:35","date_gmt":"2017-08-16T11:04:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=12287"},"modified":"2017-08-18T13:27:49","modified_gmt":"2017-08-18T11:27:49","slug":"angrep-pa-konvertitter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2017\/08\/angrep-pa-konvertitter\/","title":{"rendered":"Angrep p\u00e5 konvertitter"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I det siste har noen (mest i Italia og USA) skrevet negative ting om (konservative) katolske konvertitter. Kirkerettseksperten <a href=\"https:\/\/canonlawblog.wordpress.com\/2017\/08\/11\/come-over-here-and-say-that\/\">Edward Peters skriver sv\u00e6rt kritisk om disse &laquo;angrepene&raquo;<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Austen Ivereigh, in one of the most embarrassing essays Crux has ever run, recently smeared seven talented Catholic commentators as suffering from \u2018convert neurosis\u2019. Not once in passing, but repeatedly, Ivereigh uses \u2018neurosis\u2019 and \u2018neurotic\u2019 in regard to some seven writers, Ross Douthat, Daniel Hitchens, Carl Olson, Edward Pentin, Rusty Reno, Matthew Schmitz, and John-Henry Westen. Ivereigh even offers a primer on what \u201cneurosis\u201d means, suggesting a war-scarred woman\u2019s throwing herself to the ground when later stopped by a policeman as, one supposes, an example of how \u2018convert neurotics\u2019, supposedly being persons given to extreme reactions to un-realities in the Church, might behave.<\/p>\n<p>While an expert in psychology can tell us whether any of these men are, in fact, \u201cneurotic\u201d, and an expert in morals can tell us whether Ivereigh\u2019s employing and Crux\u2019s circulating of such labels against brothers in the Lord meets any standard of decency in Christian discourse, Ivereigh\u2019s constant referral to these Catholics as \u201cconverts\u201d draws my attention.<\/p>\n<p>Ivereigh\u2019s description of several figures (Douthat and Reno as former Episcopalians, Olson as a former Protestant fundamentalist, and Hitchens and Pentin as former Anglicans) plus what I gather about Westen (a once fallen-away Catholic who went through an atheistic period) and Schmitz (who talks respectfully about his days as a Protestant), suggests that not one of them, not one, would, under American catechetical criteria, qualify as \u201cconverts\u201d at all\u2014let alone as neurotic ones.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Men Peters fortsetter med noe overraskende; at ordet konvertitt aldri b\u00f8r brukes p\u00e5 menensker som g\u00e5r over til Den katolske kirke fra andre kristne kirkesamfunn (men sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let er hva man da skal kalle disse\/oss?), han skriver:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>According to the (US) National Statutes for the Catechumenate (November, 1986) no. 2, \u201cthe term \u2018convert\u2019 should be reserved strictly for those converted from unbelief to Christian belief and never used of those baptized Christians who are received into the full communion of the Catholic Church.\u201d &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Her er artikkelen Peters kritiserer, <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/cruxnow.com\/commentary\/2017\/08\/09\/pope-francis-convert-problem\/\">Pope Francis and the convert problem<\/a><\/strong>, publisert 9. august.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I det siste har noen (mest i Italia og USA) skrevet negative ting om (konservative) katolske konvertitter. Kirkerettseksperten Edward Peters skriver sv\u00e6rt kritisk om disse &laquo;angrepene&raquo;: Austen Ivereigh, in one of the most embarrassing essays Crux has ever run, recently smeared seven talented Catholic commentators as suffering from \u2018convert neurosis\u2019. 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