{"id":12775,"date":"2018-09-01T20:49:21","date_gmt":"2018-09-01T18:49:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=12775"},"modified":"2018-09-02T06:37:47","modified_gmt":"2018-09-02T04:37:47","slug":"mer-om-vigano-saken","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2018\/09\/mer-om-vigano-saken\/","title":{"rendered":"Mer om Vigan\u00f2-saken"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2018\/08\/tidligere-nuntius-i-usa-skriver-dramatisk-brev\/\">Jeg skrev om erkebiskop Vigan\u00f2 dramatiske brev<\/a> for noen dager siden, og fortsetter \u00e5 st\u00f8tte meg mest til Catholic Heralds dekning av saken. <a href=\"http:\/\/catholicherald.co.uk\/commentandblogs\/2018\/08\/31\/pope-francis-and-mccarrick-where-does-the-evidence-lead\/\">De skriver p\u00e5 nytt en evaluering av det som har blitt skrevet<\/a>, og tar opp og vurderer fire p\u00e5stander: <em>Claim 1: Pope Benedict XVI imposed sanctions on McCarrick &#8211; Claim 2: Pope Francis was told about McCarrick\u2019s depravity &#8211; Claim 3: Francis abandoned Benedict\u2019s sanctions &#8211; Claim 4: Francis made McCarrick an important adviser.<\/em> Og de konkluderer slik:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>What, then, does all this add up to? Everyone will draw their own conclusions. My own is that, while a position of agnosticism can be justified \u2013 especially at this early stage \u2013 it\u2019s not unreasonable to believe Vigan\u00f2\u2019s central claims.<\/p>\n<p>A more difficult position, I think, is to dismiss what Vigan\u00f2 is saying. There are two ways to do this.<\/p>\n<p>The first is to say that Vigan\u00f2 is a liar, even a fantasist, on a truly epic scale \u2013 a sort of Catholic Mark Hofmann. It\u2019s not enough to argue that Vigan\u00f2 is an ambiguous figure with an axe to grind. He would have to be much more than that: someone capable of defaming the Holy Father, while calling \u201con God as my witness\u201d, and to do so with such diabolical cunning that the Pope and his closest allies are unable to immediately discredit his claims.<\/p>\n<p>The second possible argument is that we just don\u2019t know enough: that, as in a detective story, some key evidence can turn everything on its head. That if the files of the Vatican and the US nunciature were opened, or if the churchmen accused by Vigan\u00f2 came out to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, the picture would change dramatically.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.katolsk.no\/nyheter\/2018\/09\/fakta-og-utelatelser-i-carlo-maria-viganos-vitnemal-mot-pave-frans\">Katolsk.no har oversatt en artikkel<\/a> skrevet av Andrea Tornielli (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.lastampa.it\/2018\/08\/28\/vaticaninsider\/facts-and-omissions-of-vigans-testimony-against-francis-ojjiYm4VJw2e1ELhURticP\/pagina.html\">som jeg leste p\u00e5 engelsk i g\u00e5r<\/a>), som ikke tror mye p\u00e5 Vigan\u00f3s p\u00e5stander. Der kan vi bl.a. lese mot slutten:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Og tilslutt, er det en pave, Frans, som strippet kardinalen \u2013 tross at han var gammel og hadde v\u00e6rt pensjonert en stund \u2013 for hans kardinalstatus etter \u00e5 ha kneblet ham, og forbydd ham \u00e5 celebrere offentlig. Likevel er det sistnevntes hode som den tidligere nuntiusen s\u00e5 indignert ber om. Sannsynligvis bare fordi Frans hadde \u00abv\u00e5get\u00bb \u00e5 utnevne noen amerikanske biskoper som er mindre konservative enn dem som tidligere er utnevnt, &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Dette syns jeg blir sv\u00e6rt s\u00f8kt, for erkebiskop McCarrick hadde endelig (etter \u00e5 ha miskbrukt unge menn i flere ti\u00e5r) blitt troverdig anklaget for \u00e5 ha misbrukt en mindre\u00e5rig, og da blir det b\u00e5de kirkelig og sivilt en helt annen type sak. Da reagerte b\u00e5de Den katolske kirke i USA og pave Frans tydelig, mens de nok begge hadde reagert altfor svakt i sv\u00e6rt lang tid.<\/p>\n<p>P\u00e5 samme m\u00e5te syns jeg erkebiskop Vigan\u00f2s 11 sider brev overspilte noe; det hadde v\u00e6rt bedre om hadde hadde holdt seg bare til McCarrick-saken, og latt v\u00e6re \u00e5 ta med sin sterke kritikk av andre biskoper og pave Frans p\u00e5 andre omr\u00e5der &#8211; syns jeg.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jeg skrev om erkebiskop Vigan\u00f2 dramatiske brev for noen dager siden, og fortsetter \u00e5 st\u00f8tte meg mest til Catholic Heralds dekning av saken. De skriver p\u00e5 nytt en evaluering av det som har blitt skrevet, og tar opp og vurderer fire p\u00e5stander: Claim 1: Pope Benedict XVI imposed sanctions on McCarrick &#8211; Claim 2: Pope [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[4,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-12775","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-generelt","category-katolsk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12775","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=12775"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12775\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":12784,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12775\/revisions\/12784"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=12775"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=12775"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=12775"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}