{"id":1320,"date":"2011-05-05T18:15:18","date_gmt":"2011-05-05T16:15:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=1320"},"modified":"2011-05-05T20:10:59","modified_gmt":"2011-05-05T18:10:59","slug":"hva-skjedde-med-messen-i-1969","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2011\/05\/hva-skjedde-med-messen-i-1969\/","title":{"rendered":"Hva skjedde med messen i 1969?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Vatkankonsilets liturgidokument, Sacrosanctum concilium, ble vedtatt 4. desember 1963, og der st\u00e5r det i artikkel 23: <em>&laquo;Et omhyggelig studium &#8211; teologisk, historisk og pastoralt &#8211; m\u00e5 alltid g\u00e5 forut for enhver revisjon av liturgiens enkelte deler; slik at den sunne tradisjon blir respektert, samtidig som veien st\u00e5r \u00e5pen for et legitimt fremskritt. Videre skal de generelle lover for liturgiens struktur og indre mening tas i betraktning, samtidig som man baserer seg p\u00e5 de erfaringer som er vunnet ved den seneste tids liturgiske reformer og ved de spesielle tillatelser som er blitt gitt her og der.<strong> Endelig skal nye ting bare innf\u00f8res i den monn det er sikkert at Kirkens sanne beste krever det; og man m\u00e5 v\u00e6re fullt viss p\u00e5 at de nye former betyr en p\u00e5 sett og vis organisk utvikling av dem som allerede eksisterer.&raquo;<\/em><\/strong> (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.katolsk.no\/dokumenter\/dokumenter-fra-vatikanet\/paul6\/sc\/sc_02#h6\">Les st\u00f8rre utdrag av teksten her<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p>N\u00e5r jeg s\u00e5 de siste \u00e5rene gradvis har l\u00e6rt \u00e5 kjenne Kirkens tradisjon fra f\u00f8r 1969 (tidligere hadde jeg bare h\u00f8rt den avfeiet med krasse betegnelser), har jeg innsett at mye av det som ble gjort i kampens hete (1964-70) ikke p\u00e5 noen m\u00e5te kan sies \u00e5 v\u00e6re absolutt p\u00e5krevd (se over) og heller ikke kunne vise til noen organisk utvikling (se igjen over). &#8211; Noen ganger trodde man riktignok at man hadde funnet en oldkirkelig praksis, som man n\u00e5 ville gjenopplive, men dette viste seg ofte \u00e5 v\u00e6re misforst\u00e5elser.<\/p>\n<p>Fr. Hunwicke, i artikkelserien som jeg n\u00e5 studerer, peker ganske tydelig p\u00e5 hva som skjedde i 1969 (i motsetning til hva som som skjedde under revisjonen etter Tridentinerkonsilet):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It was not, like the Missal of Paul VI, a rite marked on every single page with revolutionary innovations. Nobody denies that the &#8216;Tridentine&#8217; Missal differs very little from earlier editions. Nobody claims that alterations were made in the Canon which had no basis in its textual history; that a dozen or so alternative &#8216;Eucharistic Prayers&#8217; were added; or that the Collects, Epistles, and Gospels of every single Sunday were changed. Nobody can deny that all this is true of the Pauline Missal. (Well, I suppose that in the Pauline Missal two or three Sundays after Epiphany somehow managed to keep their collects. And Palm Sunday.)<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;.  the Pauline missal was not just one more light, slight, evolutionary revision of the Pian Missal. Those who most strongly argue that the Pian events and the Pauline events were parallel and congruous can hardly avoid the conclusion that Paul did not desire &#8230; any more than Pius intended &#8230; to consign the traditional forms of the Roman Rite to the rubbish dump.<\/p>\n<p>I offer these thoughts as my meditation upon the words I quoted in my last post from Cardinal Ratzinger: that it is contrary to the Spirit of the Church to abolish the rites which have served the piety and lives of generations of Christians.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Fr. Hunwickes artikkelserie om messens liturgi kan leses i sin helhet her: <a href=\"http:\/\/liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com\/2011\/04\/ratzinger-on-liturgical-law-1.html\">del 1<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com\/2011\/04\/ratzinger-on-liturgical-law-2.html\">del 2<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com\/2011\/04\/ratzinger-on-liturgical-law-3.html\">del 3<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com\/2011\/04\/ratzinger-on-liturgical-law-4.html\">del 4<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com\/2011\/04\/ratzinger-on-liturgical-law-5.html\">del 5<\/a>. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Vatkankonsilets liturgidokument, Sacrosanctum concilium, ble vedtatt 4. desember 1963, og der st\u00e5r det i artikkel 23: &laquo;Et omhyggelig studium &#8211; teologisk, historisk og pastoralt &#8211; m\u00e5 alltid g\u00e5 forut for enhver revisjon av liturgiens enkelte deler; slik at den sunne tradisjon blir respektert, samtidig som veien st\u00e5r \u00e5pen for et legitimt fremskritt. 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