{"id":1352,"date":"2011-05-13T13:38:07","date_gmt":"2011-05-13T11:38:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=1352"},"modified":"2011-05-13T13:53:00","modified_gmt":"2011-05-13T11:53:00","slug":"universae-ecclesiae-noen-smakebiter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2011\/05\/universae-ecclesiae-noen-smakebiter\/","title":{"rendered":"Univers\u00e6 Ecclesi\u00e6 &#8211; noen smakebiter"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Noen smakebiter fra dagens nye dokument fra Vatikanet &#8211; om hvordan pave Bendikts regler (fra 2007) for bruken av den tradisjonelle messen, skal forst\u00e5s. (<a href=\"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/filer\/11_may_universae_ecclesiae.pdf\">Her er dokumentet<\/a> i pdf-fprmat.)<\/p>\n<p>En gruppe (hvordan en slik gruppe skal defineres har v\u00e6rt sv\u00e6rt grundig diskutert) som ber om den tradisjonelle messen defineres sv\u00e6rt \u00e5pent &#8211; det er i realiteten enhver gruppe av troende:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&laquo;15. A coetus fidelium (\u201cgroup of the faithful\u201d) can be said to be stabiliter existens (\u201cexisting in a stable manner\u201d), according to the sense of art. 5 \u00a7 1 of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, when it is constituted by some people of an individual parish who, even after the publication of the Motu Proprio, come together by reason of their veneration for the Liturgy in the Usus Antiquior, and who ask that it might be celebrated in the parish church or in an oratory or chapel; such a coetus (\u201cgroup\u201d) can also be composed of persons coming from different parishes or dioceses, who gather together in a specific parish church or in an oratory or chapel for this purpose.&raquo; <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Hvis en prest sammen med noen troende \u00f8nsker \u00e5 feire den tradisjonelle messen (utenfor prestens egen by og kirke, m\u00e5 man regne med), skal ha be \u00e5 f\u00e5 l\u00e5ne en passende katolske kirke &#8211; og det skal skje uten problemer:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&laquo;16. In the case of a priest who presents himself occasionally in a parish church or an oratory with some faithful, and wishes to celebrate in the forma extraordinaria, as foreseen by articles 2 and 4 of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, the pastor or rector of the church, or the priest responsible, is to permit such a celebration, while respecting the schedule of liturgical celebrations in that same church.&raquo;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Hva slags krav stilles til (oppl\u00e6ring kreves av) en prest som skal feire den tradisjonelle messen? Det samme som for \u00e5 feire den nye messen, egentlig:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&laquo;20. With respect to the question of the necessary requirements for a priest to be held idoneus (\u201cqualified\u201d) to celebrate in the forma extraordinaria, the following is hereby stated:<br \/>\na. Every Catholic priest who is not impeded by Canon Law  is to be considered idoneus (\u201cqualified\u201d) for the celebration of the Holy Mass in the forma extraordinaria.<br \/>\nb. Regarding the use of the Latin language, a basic knowledge is necessary, allowing the priest to pronounce the words correctly and understand their meaning.<br \/>\nc. Regarding knowledge of the execution of the Rite, priests are presumed to be qualified who present themselves spontaneously to celebrate the forma extraordinaria, and have celebrated it previously.&raquo;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Hvor mye skal man l\u00e6re av latin og den tradisjonelle messen p\u00e5 presteseminarer? Her hadde noe \u00f8nsket at det skulle v\u00e6re skrevet enda tydeligere:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&laquo;21. Ordinaries are asked to offer their clergy the possibility of acquiring adequate preparation for celebrations in the forma extraordinaria. This applies also to Seminaries, where future priests should be given proper formation, including study of Latin and, where pastoral needs suggest it, the opportunity to learn the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite.&raquo; <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Pkt 28 er litt vanskelig \u00e5 forst\u00e5, kanskje, men jeg forst\u00e5r at det sier at liturgiske regler som er blitt forandret etter 1962 &#8211; som tillatelsen til \u00e5 motta kommunion i h\u00e5nden, og til \u00e5 bruke kvinnelige ministranter &#8211; ikke skal gjelde n\u00e5r man feirer den tradisjonelle messen:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&laquo;28. Furthermore, by virtue of its character of special law, within its own area, the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum derogates from those provisions of law, connected with the sacred Rites, promulgated from 1962 onwards and incompatible with the rubrics of the liturgical books in effect in 1962.&raquo;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Det blir sikkert mye interessant diskusjon rundt dette dokumentet de neste ukene &#8211; f\u00f8lg med. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Noen smakebiter fra dagens nye dokument fra Vatikanet &#8211; om hvordan pave Bendikts regler (fra 2007) for bruken av den tradisjonelle messen, skal forst\u00e5s. (Her er dokumentet i pdf-fprmat.) En gruppe (hvordan en slik gruppe skal defineres har v\u00e6rt sv\u00e6rt grundig diskutert) som ber om den tradisjonelle messen defineres sv\u00e6rt \u00e5pent &#8211; det er i [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1352","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1352","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1352"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1352\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1353,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1352\/revisions\/1353"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1352"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1352"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1352"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}