{"id":13872,"date":"2020-09-11T07:14:07","date_gmt":"2020-09-11T05:14:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=13872"},"modified":"2020-09-10T14:20:56","modified_gmt":"2020-09-10T12:20:56","slug":"bruk-av-ordene-prest-pastor-pater","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2020\/09\/bruk-av-ordene-prest-pastor-pater\/","title":{"rendered":"Bruk av ordene prest, pastor, pater"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Jeg f\u00e5r noks\u00e5 regelmessig tilsendt sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l fra Katolsk informasjonstjeneste (it@katolsk.no) som de \u00f8nsker at jeg skal svare p\u00e5. Nylig fikk jeg et sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l om bruk av ordene prest, pastor, pater. Bruk av ordet &laquo;prest&raquo; har noe med generell spr\u00e5kf\u00f8lelse \u00e5 gj\u00f8re (man sier vel ikke &laquo;du prest&raquo; eller &laquo;prest NN&raquo;) mens bruken av &laquo;pater&raquo; eller &laquo;pastor&raquo; handler om katolsk bruk i Norge de siste 30 \u00e5r. Jeg svarte slik:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Takk for ditt sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l.<\/p>\n<p>Slik jeg ser det, avhenger det av konteksten om man skal si &laquo;prest&raquo; eller &laquo;pastor\/pater&raquo;. Man sier vel aldri &laquo;prest Ola Nordmann&raquo;, men man kan si &laquo;sogneprest Ola Nordmann&raquo;, &laquo;kapellan Ola Nordmann&raquo; eller &laquo;pastor Ola Nordmann&raquo;. Her  har det ikke skjedd noen forandring i Den katolske kirke &#8211; og vi gj\u00f8r det vel p\u00e5 samme m\u00e5te som Den norske kirke her. P\u00e5 den annen side syns jeg er mye bedre \u00e5 si om en person at &laquo;han er katolsk prest&raquo; enn \u00e5 si &laquo;han er katolsk pastor\/pater&raquo; &#8211; noen ganger sier folk &laquo;han er pater&raquo;, men det syns jeg er d\u00e5rlig spr\u00e5k og nesten uforst\u00e5elig.<\/p>\n<p>Men det har skjedd en forandring mht. bruk av &laquo;pastor&raquo; eller &laquo;pater&raquo; hos oss, som alltid brukes n\u00e5r man snakker til en prest og i noen sammenhenger ogs\u00e5 om en prest. Helt fra ca. 1850 (da Den katolske kirke kom tilbake til Norge) til ca. 1980 har vi skilt mellom &laquo;pastor&raquo; (som er sekularprest\/ bisped\u00f8mmeprest) og &laquo;pater&raquo; (som er ordensprest, eks. dominikaner, fransiskaner etc.). Dette er samme praksis som katolikker har i Tyskland og Danmark. (Mens her bruker de engelsktalende alltid &laquo;father&raquo; og ogs\u00e5 svenskene sier &laquo;fader&raquo;.)<\/p>\n<p>P\u00e5 1980-taller var det enkelte katolske prester som ikke likte \u00e5 bli kalt &laquo;pastor&raquo; siden det virket for protestantisk; de \u00f8nsket \u00e5 bli tiltalt &laquo;pater&raquo; og dette spredte seg deretter en del. Biskop Bernt Eidsvig presiserte s\u00e5 i \u00e5r 2006 (tror jeg) at vi skal holde fast p\u00e5 den tradisjonelle bruken av &laquo;pater&raquo; og &laquo;pastor&raquo;, og det gj\u00f8r vi n\u00e5 i offisielle sammenhenger &#8211; men ikke alltid i det daglige menighetslivet.<\/p>\n<p>I artikkelen du viser til ( <a href=\"https:\/\/www.katolsk.no\/nyheter\/2020\/07\/kunngjoringer-okb-juli-2020\">https:\/\/www.katolsk.no\/nyheter\/2020\/07\/kunngjoringer-okb-juli-2020<\/a> ) brukes &laquo;pater&raquo; og &laquo;pastor&raquo; konsekvent p\u00e5 denne (offisielle) m\u00e5ten  &#8211; men det ville vel ikke passet noen steder p\u00e5 den siden \u00e5 bytte ut &laquo;pastor\/pater&raquo; med &laquo;prest&raquo;.<\/p>\n<p>Mvh<br \/>\n p. Oddvar Moi<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jeg f\u00e5r noks\u00e5 regelmessig tilsendt sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l fra Katolsk informasjonstjeneste (it@katolsk.no) som de \u00f8nsker at jeg skal svare p\u00e5. Nylig fikk jeg et sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l om bruk av ordene prest, pastor, pater. Bruk av ordet &laquo;prest&raquo; har noe med generell spr\u00e5kf\u00f8lelse \u00e5 gj\u00f8re (man sier vel ikke &laquo;du prest&raquo; eller &laquo;prest NN&raquo;) mens bruken av &laquo;pater&raquo; eller [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[4,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-13872","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-generelt","category-katolsk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13872","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=13872"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13872\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":13873,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13872\/revisions\/13873"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=13872"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=13872"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=13872"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}