{"id":1427,"date":"2011-06-05T08:34:02","date_gmt":"2011-06-05T06:34:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=1427"},"modified":"2012-04-06T22:53:50","modified_gmt":"2012-04-06T21:53:50","slug":"interessant-diskusjon-om-den-nye-engelske-oversettelsen-av-messen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2011\/06\/interessant-diskusjon-om-den-nye-engelske-oversettelsen-av-messen\/","title":{"rendered":"Interessant diskusjon om den nye engelske oversettelsen av messen"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Den tidligere engelske oversettelsen av messener (som mange n\u00e5 b\u00f8r vite) sv\u00e6rt un\u00f8yaktig, 11,254 ganger i ulike b\u00f8nner er &laquo;Allmelktige, evige Gud&raquo; (eller tilsvarende) oversatt med &laquo;Father&raquo;. Man syntes visst i 1970 at en slik oversettelse var mer teologisk korrekt. (!) P\u00e5 tross av feielene ved den gamle oversettelsen, hisser noen prester og andre seg fryktelig opp over oversettelsen som skal innf\u00f8res i hele verden ved starten av advent i \u00e5r. Bloggen praytellblogg.com har <a href=\"http:\/\/www.praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2011\/06\/03\/9821\/\">et nytt innlegg om dette<\/a> &#8211; men mange interessante kommentarer.<\/p>\n<p>Innlegget over refererer til et m\u00f8te holdt i Irland sist uke, der litt over 100 prester og lekfolk diskuterte (helt desperat syns jeg) hvordan de skulle kunne unng\u00e5 \u00e5 bruke den nye oversettelsen senere i \u00e5r. Et innledningsforedrag denne dagen viser at protestene i sv\u00e6rt stor grad er ideologisk og ikke spr\u00e5klige:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230; (a female theologian) spoke for about 10 minutes. She called attention to a number of particularly historical moments in the life of the Catholic Church since the Second Vatican Council.  The first was the way that the Encyclical Humanae Vitae was implemented and, especially, the treatment which was meted out to those who raised questions about it. The second was the refusal of the Catholic Church in Ireland and right around the world, to face up to the clerical abuse scandals in the 1970s and the 1980s.  The third moment she highlighted was the Apostolic Letter of Pope John |Paul II \u2013 Ordinatio Sacerdotalis in which he stated that women could not be ordained to the priesthood.<\/p>\n<p>The fourth moment  was the imposition of translation of the new Missal without adequate consultation.<\/p>\n<p>She identified two elements which are common in all of these moments.  First, an unwillingness on the part of Church leaders to believe that they can err, despite numerous examples in history.  Second, a belief, that despite the teaching of Vatican II, all competence for administration within the Church is vested in one person \u2013 the Pope. &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Den tidligere engelske oversettelsen av messener (som mange n\u00e5 b\u00f8r vite) sv\u00e6rt un\u00f8yaktig, 11,254 ganger i ulike b\u00f8nner er &laquo;Allmelktige, evige Gud&raquo; (eller tilsvarende) oversatt med &laquo;Father&raquo;. Man syntes visst i 1970 at en slik oversettelse var mer teologisk korrekt. (!) 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