{"id":14629,"date":"2025-05-26T14:24:28","date_gmt":"2025-05-26T12:24:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=14629"},"modified":"2025-06-05T14:30:06","modified_gmt":"2025-06-05T12:30:06","slug":"katolsk-luthersk-debatt-i-avisa-dagen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2025\/05\/katolsk-luthersk-debatt-i-avisa-dagen\/","title":{"rendered":"Katolsk-luthersk debatt i avisa Dagen"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I avisa Dagen har det i mai m\u00e5ned (og debatten er visst langt fra ferdig), etter pavevalget, v\u00e6rt en noks\u00e5 intens debatt om luthersk og katolsk kristendomsforst\u00e5else. Dag \u00d8ivind \u00d8stereng har v\u00e6rt aktiv i debatten og dette syns jeg (s\u00e5 langt) er hans beste innlegg &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dagen.no\/meninger\/er-det-nok-det-som-jesus-gjorde-et-svar-til-jan-bygstad\/1433858\">i Dagen 22\/5<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Jeg har intet \u00f8nske om \u00e5 harmonisere reelle forskjeller, men jeg kan heller ikke forholde meg taus og akseptere en fremstilling av katolsk tro som virker fremmedgj\u00f8rende. Derfor velger jeg \u00e5 svare, ikke for \u00e5 vinne en debatt, men for \u00e5 klargj\u00f8re hva Den katolske kirke faktisk l\u00e6rer om frelsen.<\/p>\n<p>Bygstad stiller sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let om det Jesus gjorde, er nok i romerkirkens \u00f8yne. For en katolikk er svaret p\u00e5 det sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let et ubetinget ja. Det er nok, det som Jesus gjorde.<\/p>\n<p>Hele v\u00e5r frelsesforst\u00e5else hviler p\u00e5 det Jesus \u00e9n gang for alle gjorde p\u00e5 korset. Ingen gjerning fra v\u00e5r side kan legges til dette. Intet menneske kan forbedre eller supplere Jesu soning. Det er \u00abfullbrakt\u00bb.<\/p>\n<p>Likevel mener Bygstad at Den katolske kirke, gjennom sin l\u00e6re om n\u00e5de, fri vilje og rettferdiggj\u00f8relse, reelt sett legger noe til Kristi verk og dermed forkynner \u00abet annet evangelium\u00bb.<\/p>\n<p>For undertegnede, som har g\u00e5tt veien fra \u00e5 v\u00e6re luthersk prest til \u00e5 bli katolikk, er dette sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let ikke bare viktig, men dypt personlig. Jeg hadde aldri g\u00e5tt til Den katolske kirke om den l\u00e6rte selvberging.<\/p>\n<p>Faktisk var dette sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let avgj\u00f8rende viktig for meg \u00e5 f\u00e5 avklart f\u00f8r jeg konverterte. Det var nettopp dypdykket i n\u00e5dens mysterium som overbeviste meg om at Kirken ikke st\u00e5r i motsetning til evangeliet, men b\u00e6rer det videre i hele sin bredde, dybde og fylde.<\/p>\n<p>I Den katolske kirke har jeg ikke kommet bort fra Jesus, men mye n\u00e6rmere ham som alltid er med oss i og gjennom Kirken, som er hans legeme, og i alterets sakrament. &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I avisa Dagen har det i mai m\u00e5ned (og debatten er visst langt fra ferdig), etter pavevalget, v\u00e6rt en noks\u00e5 intens debatt om luthersk og katolsk kristendomsforst\u00e5else. Dag \u00d8ivind \u00d8stereng har v\u00e6rt aktiv i debatten og dette syns jeg (s\u00e5 langt) er hans beste innlegg &#8211; i Dagen 22\/5: Jeg har intet \u00f8nske om \u00e5 [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"default","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"set","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,14],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-14629","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk","category-okumenikk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14629","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=14629"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14629\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":14631,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14629\/revisions\/14631"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=14629"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=14629"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=14629"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}