{"id":1590,"date":"2009-01-03T11:02:16","date_gmt":"2009-01-03T10:02:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1626"},"modified":"2009-01-03T11:02:16","modified_gmt":"2009-01-03T10:02:16","slug":"interessant-om-hvordan-messens-fredshilsen-b%c3%b8r-prakitiseres","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2009\/01\/interessant-om-hvordan-messens-fredshilsen-b%c3%b8r-prakitiseres\/","title":{"rendered":"Interessant om hvordan messens fredshilsen b\u00f8r praktiseres"},"content":{"rendered":"

Father Z<\/a> har tatt et stykke fra menighetsbladet i en katolsk menighet i Indiana, USA<\/a>, trykket det p\u00e5 sin blog og f\u00e5tt 100 kommentarer til innholdet p\u00e5 kort til. Det handler om messens fredshilsen, og her er et utdrag:<\/p>\n

Some people have asked me about the Sign of Peace. They note that in most cases we omit the line, \u201cLet us offer each other the Sign of Peace \u2026 \u201d during Masses in the Ordinary Form. Dozens of people have thanked for me this. One person inquired as to why. No one complained. And, the fact is that everyone is always free to \u201coffer the Sign of Peace\u201d to their neighbor.<\/p>\n

Here is the \u201cwhy\u201d part: Like many things in the celebration of Mass in the Ordinary Form, the Sign of Peace is optional. Several things are optional in \u201cthe English Mass.\u201d Other optional things are the ringing of the bells by the altar servers, the use of the paten at Holy Communion, girls serving as altar servers, the priest facing the congregation, extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion, even using a language other than Latin.<\/p>\n

All of these things \u2014 and even more \u2014 are optional. They always have been. Yet, as we all know, some of these things have been pushed down our throats … <\/font><\/i><\/p>\n

Jeg tar ogs\u00e5 med noen f\u00e5 av kommentarene<\/a> til denne posten (og ber ogs\u00e5 mine lesere om \u00e5 delta i en sp\u00f8rreunders\u00f8kels<\/a>e om dette temaet):<\/p>\n

I remember as a child when the Novus Ordo was first introduced that the Sign of Peace was a very structured (and, being structured and formal, more reverent) rite <\/font><\/i> \u2014 the person at the left side of each pew would start it out, turning to the person on his\/her right, shaking hands and saying \u201cPeace be with you\u201d to which the second person would reply \u201cAnd also with you.\u201d The second person would then repeat the process with the person on his\/her right.<\/p>\n

The formality lent an air of liturgical dignity to the rite, a dignity totally lacking with today\u2019s cluster-mess of a Sign of Peace. However, this old way being so formalized seemed to drain any true wish of peace between participants out of the exercise. This leads me to the conclusion that the Sign of Peace simply cannot work as a liturgical exercise (too much dignity, and there is no feeling; too much feeling, and it is disruptive to the worship of God). …<\/p>\n

According to the GIRM, simply responding \u201cAnd with your spirit\u201d is a sufficient response to the priest\u2019s offer of peace.
\nPersonally, I simply kneel after that, bury my head in reading the private preparatory prayer of the priest out of my Socias missal, and wait for the Sign of Peace\u2019s merciful end and the start of the Agnus Dei. …<\/p>\n

I have to say that I find abuses of the ritual described here are been getting much less frequent over the past decade or more \u2013 I encounter it only when assisting at youth-oriented liturgies, which could do with many improvements (but I\u2019d rather start with better preaching on such occasions, yet I digress). I think relying on its optionality is to throw baby out with bath water. …<\/p>\n

I started doing away with the \u201cSign of Peace\u201d a few years ago during the cold and flu season. Now, we never do it on weekdays and I stop it beginning in late September until sometime in April. Many still offer the sign of peace, but a good number ask me not to bring it back. … <\/font><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Father Z har tatt et stykke fra menighetsbladet i en katolsk menighet i Indiana, USA, trykket det p\u00e5 sin blog og f\u00e5tt 100 kommentarer til innholdet p\u00e5 kort til. Det handler om messens fredshilsen, og her er et utdrag: Some people have asked me about the Sign of Peace. They note that in most cases […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1590","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1590","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1590"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1590\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1590"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1590"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1590"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}