{"id":1637,"date":"2011-08-14T10:22:14","date_gmt":"2011-08-14T08:22:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=1637"},"modified":"2015-11-12T15:20:37","modified_gmt":"2015-11-12T14:20:37","slug":"messens-hovedstruktur-innledning","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2011\/08\/messens-hovedstruktur-innledning\/","title":{"rendered":"Messens hovedstruktur – Innledning"},"content":{"rendered":"

Jeg nevnte for et par dager siden et foredrag fra fjerde Fota Liturgical Conference; Prof. Manfred Hauke holdt foredraget \u201cThe \u201cBasic Structure\u201c (Grundgestalt) of the Eucharistic Celebration According to Joseph Ratzinger\u201d. Foredraget kan i sin helhet leses her<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Jeg siterer litt fra starten av foredraget, der dr. Hauke presenterer ganske tydelig hovedsp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let han vil ta opp; er messen et offer eller et m\u00e5ltid, og hvordan er det eventuelt begge deler:<\/p>\n

The discussion concerning the \u201cbasic structure\u201d of the Holy Mass has been concentrated up to now primarily in the German-speaking countries. We find a certain foreshadowing of the debate already in a controversy in the years before the First World War: Franz Seraph Renz (1884-1916), in a substantial monograph on the history of the Eucharistic sacrifice, proposed the thesis that the Eucharistic sacrifice, in its essence, is a meal (1902). As Ratzinger does not refer to the controversy that sprang from this suggestion (especially in the years 1906-1910) or to its connection with a certain condemned proposition in the decree of Pope Pius X, \u201cLamentabili\u201d, against Modernism (1907), we mention it here only briefly. <\/p>\n

The \u201ctendency towards an increasing importance of the meal aspect of the Holy Mass\u201d begins with the Augsburg theologian Franz Seraph Renz. Renz \u201cconfused the nature of the sacrificial act with the purpose of union with God\u201d and states that: \u201cthe Eucharistic worship is essentially a meal with a sacrificial character\u201d. The ideas here described would be reelaborated by a student of Renz, Franz Sales Wieland (1877-1957), according to whom before Irenaeus the Eucharistic celebration was understood as a meal. Only after Irenaeus did the thankgiving sacrifice [Danksagungsopfer] become a presentation\/offering sacrifice [Darbringungsopfer]. Wieland was challenged by the Innsbruck dogmatic and fudamental theologian Emil Dorsch SJ (1867-1934). The relevant works of Wieland were put on the Index because they were seen to be connected to proposition 49 of the anti-Modernist decree of Pius X, \u201cLamentabili\u201d (1907): \u201cWhen the Christian supper gradually assumed the nature of a liturgical action those who customarily presided over the supper acquired the sacerdotal character\u201d.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Jeg nevnte for et par dager siden et foredrag fra fjerde Fota Liturgical Conference; Prof. Manfred Hauke holdt foredraget \u201cThe \u201cBasic Structure\u201c (Grundgestalt) of the Eucharistic Celebration According to Joseph Ratzinger\u201d. Foredraget kan i sin helhet leses her. Jeg siterer litt fra starten av foredraget, der dr. Hauke presenterer ganske tydelig hovedsp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let han vil ta […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11,15],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1637","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi","category-teologi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1637","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1637"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1637\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":10124,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1637\/revisions\/10124"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1637"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1637"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1637"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}