{"id":1663,"date":"2011-09-06T19:22:04","date_gmt":"2011-09-06T17:22:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=1663"},"modified":"2011-09-07T11:32:19","modified_gmt":"2011-09-07T09:32:19","slug":"barnedap-i-eller-utenfor-messen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2011\/09\/barnedap-i-eller-utenfor-messen\/","title":{"rendered":"Barned\u00e5p i eller utenfor messen?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Av flere grunner har jeg i dag sett en del p\u00e5 hvordan barned\u00e5p skal og kan gjennomf\u00f8res i en messe, og tenkt p\u00e5 om det er nyttig og godt at man har d\u00e5pen i messen. Selv har jeg nesten bare hatt d\u00e5p i messen n\u00e5r jeg har feiret messe p\u00e5 avsidesliggende steder – som jeg har gjort en hel del, b\u00e5de da jeg var i Bergen, i Stavanger og (faktisk) ogs\u00e5 her i Oslo. <\/p>\n

Jeg foretrekker \u00e5 ha barned\u00e5p som en egen seremoni, og oftest d\u00f8pes bare ett barn om gangen – dette er ogs\u00e5 praksis de fleste steder i Norge, s\u00e5 langt jeg vet. Og det er ogs\u00e5 det mest tradisjonelle, for inntil 1970 var det s\u00e5 langt jeg vet ikke tillat \u00e5 ha d\u00e5p i messen. Ved d\u00e5p at store barn og av voksne har jeg vanligvis en egen d\u00e5psmesse, siden disse dyd\u00f8pte ogs\u00e5 f\u00e5r sin f\u00f8rste hellige kommunion samme dag.<\/p>\n

I Norge brukes mest praktiske argumenter mot \u00e5 ha d\u00e5p i s\u00f8ndagens h\u00f8ymesse (ved mindre messer er det en hel del lettere \u00e5 ha d\u00e5p); som at kirken allerede er stappfull, at det skjer s\u00e5 mange andre ting i h\u00f8ymessen, at det er vanskelig \u00e5 integrere d\u00e5p i en s\u00f8ndagsmesse p\u00e5 en god m\u00e5te, at det kan bli veldig lang tid for d\u00e5psbarnet (og for andre sm\u00e5 barn) \u00e5 v\u00e6re i kirken, slik at det derfor kan bli mye uro etc.<\/p>\n

P\u00e5 Fr. Z’s blogg ble dette diskutert for et par \u00e5r siden – SE HER<\/a> – og kanskje leserne ogs\u00e5 har synspunkter p\u00e5 dette?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Av flere grunner har jeg i dag sett en del p\u00e5 hvordan barned\u00e5p skal og kan gjennomf\u00f8res i en messe, og tenkt p\u00e5 om det er nyttig og godt at man har d\u00e5pen i messen. Selv har jeg nesten bare hatt d\u00e5p i messen n\u00e5r jeg har feiret messe p\u00e5 avsidesliggende steder – som jeg […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1663","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1663","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1663"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1663\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1663"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1663"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1663"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}