{"id":1787,"date":"2011-10-27T11:24:03","date_gmt":"2011-10-27T09:24:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=1787"},"modified":"2011-10-27T12:34:55","modified_gmt":"2011-10-27T10:34:55","slug":"kritikk-av-at-pave-benedikt-feirer-messen-vendt-mot-korset","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2011\/10\/kritikk-av-at-pave-benedikt-feirer-messen-vendt-mot-korset\/","title":{"rendered":"Kritikk av at pave Benedikt feirer messen &laquo;vendt mot korset&raquo;."},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/bilder\/b16_alterarrangement.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"b16_alterarrangement\" width=\"500\" height=\"308\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1788\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Pave Benedikt \u00f8nsker, som de fleste vet, at messen helst skal feires mot apsis\/\u00f8st, og gj\u00f8r ogs\u00e5 dette regelmessig i sitt private kapell. Men samtidig \u00f8nsker han ikke for mye uro rundt (han husker vel det som skjedde rundt 1970 altfor godt), og anbefaler (og gjennomf\u00f8rer alltid selv) at man feirer messen vendt mot et (ganske stort og tydelig) krusifiks. Ogs\u00e5 i Norge er det mange prester som f\u00f8lger hans eksempel her.<\/p>\n<p>Men ikke alle liker dette. P\u00e5 en (ganske liberal, m\u00e5 jeg si) liturgiblogg &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.praytellblog.com\/index.php\">Pray Tell<\/a> (som jeg leser ganske regelemessig) &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2011\/10\/24\/liturgical-orientation-and-idolatry\/\">har en teologiprofessor og permanent diakon antydet<\/a> at dette (nesten eller egentlig) kan kalles avgudsdyrkelse:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&laquo;If I were to put this polemically, which of course I would never do, I would say that identifying the crucifix rather than the Eucharist as the point of orientation skirts the edge of idolatry. This point seems so obvious to me that I wonder what is going on with those who continue to put forward the idea of common orientation toward the crucifix. Could this be a case of a poor idea gaining momentum simply because it has been suggested by an authoritative source (i.e. Pope Benedict).&raquo;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Jeg leste dette for et par dager siden, men ble inspirert til \u00e5 legge det ut p\u00e5 bloggen etter at jeg<a href=\"http:\/\/liturgicalpimpernel.blogspot.com\/2011\/10\/they-dont-like-benedictine-arrangement.html\"> leste om det ogs\u00e5 her<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Pave Benedikt \u00f8nsker, som de fleste vet, at messen helst skal feires mot apsis\/\u00f8st, og gj\u00f8r ogs\u00e5 dette regelmessig i sitt private kapell. Men samtidig \u00f8nsker han ikke for mye uro rundt (han husker vel det som skjedde rundt 1970 altfor godt), og anbefaler (og gjennomf\u00f8rer alltid selv) at man feirer messen vendt mot et [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11,6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1787","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi","category-paven"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1787","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1787"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1787\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1787"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1787"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1787"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}