{"id":2139,"date":"2012-01-21T08:49:35","date_gmt":"2012-01-21T07:49:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=2139"},"modified":"2012-01-22T09:04:45","modified_gmt":"2012-01-22T08:04:45","slug":"det-engelske-ordinariatet-er-ett-ar","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2012\/01\/det-engelske-ordinariatet-er-ett-ar\/","title":{"rendered":"Det engelske Ordinariatet er ett \u00e5r"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/bilder\/12jan_msgr_newton.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"12jan_msgr_newton\" width=\"440\" height=\"378\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2142\" \/><br \/>\nFor ikke lenge siden feriet det engelsk ordinariatet ett \u00e5r (se bildet med msgr. Newton over), og man begynner \u00e5 diskutere i stadig st\u00f8rre grad hvordan det g\u00e5r med dem. I alle fall <a href=\"http:\/\/www.catholicherald.co.uk\/commentandblogs\/2012\/01\/18\/is-damian-thompson-right-are-the-english-bishops-trying-to-smother-the-ordinariate-if-so-it%E2%80%99s-time-for-rome-to-act\/\">skriver William Oddie<\/a> i The Catholic Herald at han begynner \u00e5 lure p\u00e5 hvor vennlige de engelske katolske biskopene egentlig er til dette pavelige initiativet. Jeg vet ikke selv hva jeg skal mene om dette s\u00e5 langt &#8211; og det er ogs\u00e5 mange kommentarer etter Oddies innlegg, les det gjerne selv: <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I am beginning to put two and two together and not making four; or, to vary the clich\u00e9, I am beginning to smell a rat: I refer to the unfolding story of the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham. Others, I know, have beat me to it in this particular process. But I am a simple soul, I tend to look on the bright side and try to avoid paranoia where I can. I hope I am wrong: but I am, all the same, beginning to wonder if the warm support with which even quite unexpected people in our hierarchy (like Bishop Hollis) greeted the establishment of the ordinariate this time round (you will remember the extreme hostility with which they squashed the same basic idea in the 90s) was really as wholehearted as it seemed at the time: or were they simply saying what they knew the Pope wanted them to say, but without any real belief in the basic idea? Or maybe with the idea, this time, of getting the whole thing under way and then squashing it? &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>William Oddie var selv anglikansk prest og sterkt involvert i det som skjedde i 1992, da flere hundre anglikanske prester i England ble katolikker. Han skrev en bok om dette i 1997, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Roman-Option-William-Oddie\/dp\/0006280641\/\">&laquo;The Roman Option&raquo;<\/a>, som jeg leste da den kom ut. Her skriver han at kardinal Hume var vennlig innstilt til alle disse konvertittene, og (med pave Johannes Pauls og Ratzingers st\u00f8tte) gjerne vil gi dem muligheten til \u00e5 konvertere kollektivt til en viss grad, og til \u00e5 beholde deler av sin anglikanske tradisjon &#8211; men at dette brutalt ble stoppet av de andre katolske biskopene i England.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For ikke lenge siden feriet det engelsk ordinariatet ett \u00e5r (se bildet med msgr. Newton over), og man begynner \u00e5 diskutere i stadig st\u00f8rre grad hvordan det g\u00e5r med dem. I alle fall skriver William Oddie i The Catholic Herald at han begynner \u00e5 lure p\u00e5 hvor vennlige de engelske katolske biskopene egentlig er til [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,14],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2139","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk","category-okumenikk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2139","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2139"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2139\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2145,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2139\/revisions\/2145"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2139"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2139"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2139"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}