{"id":2538,"date":"2006-10-17T12:35:59","date_gmt":"2006-10-17T10:35:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/311"},"modified":"2012-02-13T10:57:48","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T09:57:48","slug":"derfor-forlot-jeg-den-lutherske-kirken","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2006\/10\/derfor-forlot-jeg-den-lutherske-kirken\/","title":{"rendered":"Derfor forlot jeg den lutherske kirken"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><i>Jeg begynte etter hvert \u00e5 f\u00e5 problemer med \u00e5 forsvare hvorfor jeg ikke var katolsk (men det er det vel en hel del som gj\u00f8r, uten derfor \u00e5 bli katolikker), siden Jesus \u00f8nsker at alle de kriste skal v\u00e6re ett, jfr. Joh. 17. Men det var likevel to helt konkrete problemer til slutt ledet meg ut av den lutherske kirke. De to problemene var i praksis to sakramenter; nattverden og ordinasjonen.<\/p>\n<p>.. Det siste og mest avgj\u00f8rende problemet gjorde seg da gjeldende med styrke, og f\u00f8rte til at jeg ikke lenger kunne v\u00e6re lutheraner. Jeg hadde allerede i noen \u00e5r arbeidet med hvem som hadde avgj\u00f8rende myndigheten mht. l\u00e6resp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l i en luthersk kirke. P\u00e5 en eller annen m\u00e5te m\u00e5tte det v\u00e6re de ordinerte (prester og biskoper), men hvordan de skulle ut\u00f8ve denne myndigheten var ganske uklart. Det er jo slik at for lutheranerne er det ingen vesensforskjell mellom prester og biskoper, biskopene ordineres ikke en ekstra gang, men f\u00e5r (bare) en ekstra myndighet i kirken. Det f\u00f8rer bl.a. til at deres autoritet, spesielt i l\u00e6resp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l, er ganske svak.<\/p>\n<p>Katolikker derimot ser p\u00e5 biskopene som apostlenes etterf\u00f8lgere, de har samme myndighet og kall som apostlene, og det er ogs\u00e5 de som gir sine prester de n\u00f8dvendige fullmakter. Og hvis en luthersk biskop ikke er biskop p\u00e5 denne m\u00e5te, hva er han da, og hva er en luthersk prest? Anfektelsen, tvilen, som da kom, gikk p\u00e5 hele min identitet som prest, og det kunne jeg i praksis ikke leve med.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/odv\/ekumen\/moderkirken_06.htm\">Les hele foredraget, som ble holdt 15\/10,  her<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jeg begynte etter hvert \u00e5 f\u00e5 problemer med \u00e5 forsvare hvorfor jeg ikke var katolsk (men det er det vel en hel del som gj\u00f8r, uten derfor \u00e5 bli katolikker), siden Jesus \u00f8nsker at alle de kriste skal v\u00e6re ett, jfr. Joh. 17. Men det var likevel to helt konkrete problemer til slutt ledet meg [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,14],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2538","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk","category-okumenikk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2538","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2538"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2538\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4875,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2538\/revisions\/4875"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2538"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2538"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2538"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}