{"id":2761,"date":"2007-03-30T13:11:15","date_gmt":"2007-03-30T11:11:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/551"},"modified":"2007-03-30T13:11:15","modified_gmt":"2007-03-30T11:11:15","slug":"paven-om-helvete-en-ikke-nyhet-fra-vartland","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2007\/03\/paven-om-helvete-en-ikke-nyhet-fra-vartland\/","title":{"rendered":"Paven om helvete – en ikke-nyhet fra V\u00e5rt Land"},"content":{"rendered":"

V\u00e5rt Land har i dag<\/a> f\u00f8lgende dramatiske overskrift: Benedikt advarer mot helvete. Mener det tales lite om evig fortapelse og at helvete er et «sted der syndere brenner i en evig ild .»<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jarle Kallestad skriver her at:
\n\u2013 Helvete er ikke bare et religi\u00f8st symbol for \u00e5 oppildne de troende, sa paven i sin s\u00f8ndagspreken, if\u00f8lge flere aviser.<\/p>\n

Til en menighet i en forstad til Roma sa paven at det moderne mennesket, inkludert enkelte troende, har glemt at dersom de ikke innr\u00f8mmer skyld og lover \u00e5 ikke synde mer, risikerer de \u00abevig ford\u00f8mmelse – helvete,\u00bb skriver britiske The Times.<\/p>\n

I s\u00f8ndagens preken til menigheten i Fidene omtalte han tilgivelse for synder som hj\u00f8rnesteinen i den kristne tro, if\u00f8lge The Guardian.
\n\u2013 Jesus kom for \u00e5 fortelle oss at alle er \u00f8nsket i paradis og at helvete, som det tales lite om i dag, eksisterer og er evig for dem som lukker d\u00f8rene for denne kj\u00e6rligheten.<\/i><\/p>\n

Men mye av dette har paven ikke sagt, og jeg vil nok r\u00e5de Kallestad og V\u00e5rt Land til \u00e5 g\u00e5 til kildene – og ikke bare til avisene som har spunnet videre p\u00e5 den eneste korte setningen der paven nevnte helvete: «Jesus kom for \u00e5 fortelle oss at han \u00f8nsker oss alle i paradis, og at helvete, som det tales lite om i dag, eksisterer og er evig for dem som lukker hjertet for hans kj\u00e6rlighet.» [E\u2019 venuto Ges\u00f9 per dirci che ci vuole tutti in Paradiso e che l\u2019inferno, del quale poco si parla in questo nostro tempo, esiste ed \u00e8 eterno per quanti chiudono il cuore al suo amore.]<\/p>\n

Ellers har pave Benedikt ikke nevnt helvete med et eneste ord, s\u00e5 hvordan noen har klart \u00e5 lage en slik ikke-nyhet, forst\u00e5r jeg ikke. Les gjerne hele pavens preken her<\/a>.<\/p>\n

——— FORTSETTES ———<\/p>\n

Jarle Kallestad i V\u00e5rt Land har svart p\u00e5 min kritikk, og sier at denne saken er presentert slik i sv\u00e6rt mange aviser verden over (og det er den, ser jeg n\u00e5), og han regner s\u00e5 med at paven m\u00e5 ha sagt mer enn det som stod i manuskriptet (som jeg siterte). Det kan muligens tenkes (men jeg har ikke sett noe som antyder det), men jeg kan faktisk ikke tenke meg at paven har sagt at «helvete er et sted der syndere brenner i en evig ild»<\/strong>. Muligens finner vi svaret i en artikkel i den engelske Guardian<\/a>, der det st\u00e5r (implisitt) at at andre har smurt p\u00e5 litt for for tykt:<\/p>\n

The 79-year old pontiff used a Mass in the gritty Fidene suburb of Rome to put damnation back on the agenda. «Jesus came to tell us everyone is wanted in paradise, and that hell, about which little gets said today, exists and is eternal for those who shut their hearts to his love,» Pope Benedict warned the congregation on Sunday.<\/p>\n

The talk of fire and brimstone stopped there<\/strong>, as Pope Benedict failed to elaborate on what lay ahead for the sinner in the afterlife<\/strong>, adding only that «our real enemy is the attachment to sin, which can bring about the failure of our existence». <\/font><\/i><\/p>\n

En katolsk blogger<\/a> har f\u00f8lgende kommentar til medias dekning (muligens er vi her kommet til bunnen av mysteriet): The mere fact that the media report this as news shows the immense gulf between their grasp of Christian teaching and Benedict’s. And indeed, even in getting it right, they still manage to get it wrong. To be sure, they (kind of) get the main point (Benedict says hell is real, not a symbol designed to scare you into obeying the gospel), but then they completely misunderstand him. Here’s how:<\/p>\n

Benedict takes great pains to say that, while hell is real, the scriptural imagery used to describe hell («everlasting fire») is not to be understood literalistically. He had wanted to reinforce the new Catholic catechism, which holds that hell is a «state of eternal separation from God», to be understood «symbolically rather than physically».<\/p>\n

In 1999, pope John Paul II said heaven was «neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but that fullness of communion with God, which is the goal of human life». Hell, by contrast, was «the ultimate consequence of sin itself. Rather than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy».<\/p>\n

So what does the media take away from this? Hell is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire, and not just a religious symbol designed to galvanise the faithful, Pope Benedict XVI has said.<\/p>\n

These guys can’t seem to get it right even when the Pope holds the number two pencil in their hand and spells it out for them. They don’t seem to grasp that something can be real without being physical. And so, they wind up giving the impression the Pope believes Hell is a big cave in a Far Side cartoon, full of fire pits and sulfur with the demons in red tights from central casting. It takes a special kind of inability to comprehend to write an story like that.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

V\u00e5rt Land har i dag f\u00f8lgende dramatiske overskrift: Benedikt advarer mot helvete. Mener det tales lite om evig fortapelse og at helvete er et «sted der syndere brenner i en evig ild .» Jarle Kallestad skriver her at: \u2013 Helvete er ikke bare et religi\u00f8st symbol for \u00e5 oppildne de troende, sa paven i sin […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2761","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2761","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2761"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2761\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2761"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2761"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2761"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}