{"id":2764,"date":"2007-03-31T16:55:40","date_gmt":"2007-03-31T14:55:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/554"},"modified":"2012-02-13T10:57:02","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T09:57:02","slug":"ekumeniske-minner-fra-roma","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2007\/03\/ekumeniske-minner-fra-roma\/","title":{"rendered":"\u00d8kumeniske minner fra Roma"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I serien &laquo;Minner fra fjor\u00e5ret i Roma&raquo;, vil jeg nevne at jeg for akkurat et \u00e5r siden v\u00e5r p\u00e5 et interessant foredrag om <strong>Lutheraneres forhold til paved\u00f8mmet<\/strong>. &laquo;Jeg var nettopp p\u00e5 et foredrag p\u00e5 det \u00f8kumeniske senteret i Roma, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.prounione.urbe.it\/home_en.html\">Centro pro unione<\/a>, som ligger ved Piazza Navona, der vi ogs\u00e5 bor. Foredraget var ved den amerikanske, lutherske professoren William Rusch og handlet om i hvilken grad lutheranere i dag kan godta paveembedet.&raquo;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/grafikk\/gr_it_06a\/rom_centro3l.jpg\" align=\"right\" hspace=\"6\"\/> Fra fordraget vil jeg her bare ta fram min vurdering av det som ble sagt. (Interesserte kan lese hele <a href=\"\/blog\/fil\/06mars_centro.htm\">referatet fra foredraget her<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p><i>I felleserkl\u00e6ringen om rettferdiggj\u00f8relsen fra 1999 hadde man kommet veldig langt i retning av en full enighet i synet p\u00e5 rettferdiggj\u00f8relsen, derfor kunne man si at man kommet til en differensiert enighet om sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let, med bare noen f\u00e5 ikke-kirkesplittende omr\u00e5der med uenighet tilbake.<\/p>\n<p>S\u00e5 langt har man vel p\u00e5 langt n\u00e6r kommet mht. til pavens embede, og ogs\u00e5 mht. embedssynet generelt er man fortsatt langt borte fra en tilstrekkelig stor enighet. Om nattverden kunne man vel heller kunne tenke seg en ny felleserkl\u00e6ring &#8211; i alle fall mht. realpresensen, muligens ogs\u00e5 mht. offeraspektet av nattverden, men n\u00e5r det gjelder synet p\u00e5 paven og, enda vanskeligere, synet p\u00e5 kirkens ordinerte embede (spesielt bispeembedet) har lutheranere og katolikker fortsatt langt \u00e5 g\u00e5.<\/p>\n<p>P\u00e5 en m\u00e5te syns jeg professor Rusch kom med lite nytt i sitt foredrag &#8211; mye av stoffer er ogs\u00e5 kommet frem i andre fora &#8211; bl.a. i et foredrag av Harding Meyer i Roma i 1997. Det helt nye han foreslo var \u00e5 bruke det nye begrepet &laquo;differensiert praksis&raquo;, men her hadde det v\u00e6rt enda mer interessant om han hadde v\u00e6rt litt mer konkret i \u00e5 foresl\u00e5 hvilke ulike praksiser de to kirkene skulle kunne akseptere.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Jeg skrev ogs\u00e5 selv en oppgave om dette temaet i april\/mai i fjor &#8211; <a href=\"\/odv\/artikl\/petr_off_06.htm\">LES DEN HER<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I serien &laquo;Minner fra fjor\u00e5ret i Roma&raquo;, vil jeg nevne at jeg for akkurat et \u00e5r siden v\u00e5r p\u00e5 et interessant foredrag om Lutheraneres forhold til paved\u00f8mmet. &laquo;Jeg var nettopp p\u00e5 et foredrag p\u00e5 det \u00f8kumeniske senteret i Roma, Centro pro unione, som ligger ved Piazza Navona, der vi ogs\u00e5 bor. 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