{"id":2994,"date":"2007-07-03T10:52:39","date_gmt":"2007-07-03T08:52:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/789"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:30:30","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:30:30","slug":"den-gamle-messen-kan-f%c3%b8re-til-at-den-nye-messen-blir-feiret-bedre","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2007\/07\/den-gamle-messen-kan-f%c3%b8re-til-at-den-nye-messen-blir-feiret-bedre\/","title":{"rendered":"Den gamle messen kan f\u00f8re til at den nye messen blir feiret bedre"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Overskrifta p\u00e5 dette innlegget uttrykker vel i hovedtrekk mitt eget syn p\u00e5 diskusjonen om den &laquo;tridentinske&raquo; messen. Jeg har ikke planer om \u00e5 begynne \u00e5 feire den tradisjonelle latinske messen (TLM), men vil gjerne l\u00e6re en del fra den for \u00e5 kunne feire messene bedre.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/2007\/07\/reestablishing-a-vibrant-catholic-identity\/\">P\u00e5 denne bloggen<\/a> fortelles det om en ung prest som tok en ukes kurs i hvordan den gamle messen skal feires, og han bruker store ord for \u00e5 forklare hva uka betydde for ham: <i><font color=\"#333399\">I would characterize my experience as frankly stunning, and even life changing. I must admit that the experience has recast my understanding of the priesthood to some degree.<\/p>\n<p>Also, by this intensive introduction to the ancient Roman liturgical tradition, I now more fully understand the paradigm shift and rupture that Ratzinger\/Benedict XVI has spoken of. I can\u2019t help but feel that once the adolescent rebellion of liturgical abuse and rejection of our living heritage subsides, they will be there to help all of us reclaim and reinvigorate the Latin Rite in a way that is truly organic and faithful to our roots, strengthening and in some areas reestablishing a vibrant Catholic identity.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n<p>Forfatteren av denne bloggen, father Z., skriver ogs\u00e5 at et av de store poengene med \u00e5 frigj\u00f8re den gamle messen (slik paven tenker), er \u00e5 knytte de to messene sammen igjen, og \u00e5 forbedre feiringen av den nye messen. <!--more--><\/p>\n<p><i><font color=\"#333399\">I direct your attention back to what I wrote elsewhere on this blog: &laquo;Pope Benedict is working to re-root celebrations of Holy Mass in the tradition whence it emerged.  He has written that it was unreasonable that a rite of Mass so important to the Catholic Church for so long should suddenly be virtually forbidden.  &#8230; Widespread celebrations will have an impact on the way the Novus Ordo is celebrated\u2026 and vice versa!  It cannot be otherwise.  This has already been happening.  &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;  Above all, the document will make concrete Benedict XVI\u2019s desire for a \u201chermeneutic of continuity\u201d.  &#8230; Pope Benedict is working to reestablish continuity with the past, though not uncritically, through a \u201chermeneutic of reform\u201d.  Derestriction of the older form of Mass must be seen as part of his vision for this reform, this rebuilding of continuity with the Church\u2019s tradition.&raquo;<\/p>\n<p>The fact is that even now younger priests who have learned about the older Mass <strong>change their way of saying the newer Mass<\/strong>.  At the same time, celebrations of the older Mass today are more than likely so much better than they were before the Council precisely because of the experience (good and bad) gained from the last few decades.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Overskrifta p\u00e5 dette innlegget uttrykker vel i hovedtrekk mitt eget syn p\u00e5 diskusjonen om den &laquo;tridentinske&raquo; messen. Jeg har ikke planer om \u00e5 begynne \u00e5 feire den tradisjonelle latinske messen (TLM), men vil gjerne l\u00e6re en del fra den for \u00e5 kunne feire messene bedre. 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