N\u00e5r vi diskuterer hvordan den katolske messen skal feires, kommer vi ikke utenom sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let om hvordan messen er oversatt til ulike spr\u00e5k. Den engelske oversettelsen er nok den mest diskuterte (den d\u00e5rligste); der har man n\u00e5 nylig laget en ny (og langt mer konservativ\/ bokstavtro) oversettelse, som vi h\u00e5per skal offentliggj\u00f8res om ikke mange m\u00e5neder.<\/p>\n
Den norske oversettelsen, i messeboka fra 1982, er langt bedre enn den engelske, men ogs\u00e5 hos oss er det i alle fall \u00e9n alvorlig feil. Og det er en feil som (sannsynligvis) ikke tilfeldig ber\u00f8rer selve offeraspektet av messen. Under offertoriet, f\u00f8r b\u00f8nna over offergavene, sier presten: «La oss be til Gud, den allmektige, at han vil motta sin Kirkes offer av v\u00e5re hender.» Og menigheten svarer: «Til lov og \u00e6re for sitt navn og til hele verdens frelse.»<\/p>\n
Men her er teksten egentlig (og den er identisk med den tridentinske messen): Or\u00e1te, fratres: ut meum ac vestrum sacrif\u00edcium accept\u00e1bile fiat apud Deum Patrem omnipot\u00e9ntem.<\/i> (Be br\u00f8dre, at mitt og deres offer m\u00e5 v\u00e6re akseptabelt for Gud Fader, den allmektige.) Og svaret er: Susc\u00edpiat D\u00f3minus sacrif\u00edcium de m\u00e1nibus tuis ad laudem et gl\u00f3riam n\u00f3minis sui, ad utilit\u00e1tem quoque nostram toti\u00fasque Eccl\u00e9si\u00e6 su\u00e6 sanct\u00e6.<\/i> (M\u00e5 Herren motta dette offeret fra dine hender til lov og \u00e6re for sitt navn, til nytte for oss og for hele hans hellige Kirke.)<\/p>\n
Spesielt det norske svaret er her helt ugjenkjennelig, men i b\u00e5de oppfordring og svar blir det viktige offeraspektet – «ved prestens hender», «prestens og<\/strong> menighetens offer» – uklart og nesten helt skjult. Det syns jeg er sv\u00e6rt uheldig.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" N\u00e5r vi diskuterer hvordan den katolske messen skal feires, kommer vi ikke utenom sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let om hvordan messen er oversatt til ulike spr\u00e5k. Den engelske oversettelsen er nok den mest diskuterte (den d\u00e5rligste); der har man n\u00e5 nylig laget en ny (og langt mer konservativ\/ bokstavtro) oversettelse, som vi h\u00e5per skal offentliggj\u00f8res om ikke mange m\u00e5neder. […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2999","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2999","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2999"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2999\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5664,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2999\/revisions\/5664"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2999"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2999"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2999"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}