{"id":3025,"date":"2007-07-30T14:44:00","date_gmt":"2007-07-30T12:44:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/822"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:30:28","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:30:28","slug":"hva-skjer-na-den-gamle-og-den-nye-messen-feires-sammen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2007\/07\/hva-skjer-na-den-gamle-og-den-nye-messen-feires-sammen\/","title":{"rendered":"Hva skjer n\u00e5r den gamle og den nye messen feires sammen?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Da jeg var p\u00e5 ferie i \u00d8sterrike for ei ukes tid og snakka med flere av mine venner blant korherrene i Klosterneuburg \u2013 tre som jeg kjente fra Bergen, og noen flere som jeg ble kjent med \u2013 var de ganske begeistra over pavens motu proprio om den tradisjonelle latinske messen. Flere av dem sa at det viktigste ved pave Benedikts bestemmelse er at n\u00e5 kan de to m\u00e5tene \u00e5 feire messen m\u00e5 gjensidig berike hverandre, slik at vi p\u00e5 sikt f\u00e5r ei mer verdig messefeiring. (I den tysktalende verden feires messen ofte mye mindre h\u00f8ytidelig\/ tradisjonelt\/ verdig enn vi er vant til fra Norge.)<\/p>\n<p>Jeg <a href=\"http:\/\/www.archindy.org\/criterion\/local\/2007\/07-27\/latin.html\">leste s\u00e5 nylig en artikkel<\/a> om en menighet i Indiana i USA der b\u00e5de den nye og den gamle messen feires hver eneste s\u00f8ndag, og om hvikle positive frukter det har f\u00f8rt med seg:<\/p>\n<p><i><font color=\"#333399\"> Msgr. Schaedel has been pastor of Holy Rosary for the entire time that it has offered both forms of the Mass.<\/p>\n<p>He said it took about three years for a good level of trust to be developed between those attached to the Mass in English and those who prefer the Latin Mass.<\/p>\n<p>Msgr. Schaedel noted, however, that tensions weren\u2019t related solely to liturgical questions. He said that longtime members of Holy Rosary were concerned that the parish, as they had known it, would be \u201cphased out\u201d when the traditional Latin Mass was introduced there.<\/p>\n<p>Msgr. Schaedel now sees the dual liturgical life as a force of vitality for the parish. \u201cIt\u2019s certainly enhanced the attendance, the activity around the parish, the number of young people, young families,\u201d he said. \u201cIt\u2019s probably more than tripled the income of the parish.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>According to Msgr. Schaedel, the attendance at the three Sunday Masses celebrated each weekend (two in English, one in Latin) is about equal.<\/p>\n<p>Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter Father Michael Magiera celebrates the Tridentine Mass at Holy Rosary Church. Yet he emphasized that he is the associate pastor for the entire parish. \u201cI take that very seriously,\u201d he said. \u201cI always make it a point of going out to greet those parishioners after the 4:30 p.m. [Saturday] English Mass and the noon Sunday English Mass.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He said both he and Msgr. Schaedel help each other by distributing Communion at both the English and Latin Masses. Both will occasionally preach at all the weekend Masses, and Father Magiera occasionally plays the organ at English Masses.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhen you have such a good cooperation on the part of the clergy, the [parishioners] generally go along with that very well, and they don\u2019t find it funny or anything,\u201d Father Magiera said. \u201cI think that they like it.\u201d<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Da jeg var p\u00e5 ferie i \u00d8sterrike for ei ukes tid og snakka med flere av mine venner blant korherrene i Klosterneuburg \u2013 tre som jeg kjente fra Bergen, og noen flere som jeg ble kjent med \u2013 var de ganske begeistra over pavens motu proprio om den tradisjonelle latinske messen. 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