{"id":3065,"date":"2007-08-24T15:10:54","date_gmt":"2007-08-24T13:10:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/863"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:29:13","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:29:13","slug":"mange-steder-er-den-katolske-liturgien-darlig","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2007\/08\/mange-steder-er-den-katolske-liturgien-darlig\/","title":{"rendered":"Mange steder er den katolske liturgien d\u00e5rlig"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>P\u00e5 bloggen The New Liturgical Movement leste jeg nylig om en amerikansk familie som hadde flyttet til en ny by, og hadde sv\u00e6re problemer med \u00e5 finne en kirke \u00e5 g\u00e5 i som hadde en messefeiring de kunne klare \u00e5 holde ut. Jeg har selv snakket med flere utenlandske katolikker i det siste, og blitt forundret over hvor snevert de tenker om liturgien;  \u00e5 synge bare \u00f8rlite grann latin i messens faste ledd er helt fremmed for dem, det samme gjelder tradisjonelle salmer. De tenker ogs\u00e5 lite p\u00e5 at messen f\u00f8rst og fremst er et m\u00f8te med Herren, og at det horisontale aspektet (og det de 20-30 frivillige i hver messe skal gj\u00f8re) er noe mindre viktig.<\/p>\n<p>I artikkelen under hevdes det at 85% av messene ofte kommer sv\u00e6rt til kort. Jeg er redd det kan v\u00e6re korrekt n\u00e5r vi tenker p\u00e5 om messene er et verdig m\u00f8te med den allmektige, og om man til en viss grad tar vare p\u00e5 Kirkens liturgiske tradisjon. I Norge er det faktisk ganske annerledes, og i g\u00e5r h\u00f8rte jeg rykter om at man i St. Olav domkirke er i ferd med \u00e5 innf\u00f8re (enda) mer latin, faktisk \u00e5 lese en s\u00f8ndagsmesse helt p\u00e5 latin hver s\u00f8ndag, kan noen bekrefte det?<\/p>\n<p>Her er utdrag fra artikkelen jeg refererte til:<\/p>\n<p><i><font color=\"#333399\">Two friends of mine from different parts of the country, settled into a parish of their liking, more or less, picked up to move to other parts of the country, leaving their parishes behind and encountering a terrifying situation in looking for a new parish. Both of them are in a state of complete shock.<\/p>\n<p>They are bouncing from parish to parish only to find liturgy after liturgy dominated by pop music and liturgy directors with heads full of mush, places completely untouched by the reform of the reform. They describe themselves as living in a liturgical house of mirrors in which crazy and menacing heads of Marty Haugen haunt them at every turn. It is driving both of them batty, and even to despair. They tell stories of the most shocking sort, week to week, and are both at their wits&#8217; end.<\/p>\n<p>Moves can do this to you. One&#8217;s perspective on whether Catholic liturgy is getting better or worse&#8211;whether it is time for panic or calm improvements&#8211;depends in large part, if not wholly, on one&#8217;s local situation. People in good situations tend to have an exaggerated sense of the well being of American Catholic liturgy. People in awful situations ere in the other direction, assuming that there is no hope.<\/p>\n<p>For this reason, we all work very hard to find liturgical environments that are suitable to our sensibilities and then feel a bit of comfort, only to have this completely upset when we move across the country into an unfamiliar place and encounter that horrible reality that Catholic liturgy in the United States really is in a relentless state of emergency. You can at this point make up a statistic, but I&#8217;m guessing that something like 85% of Catholic Masses in this country stand in complete violation to the letter and spirit of the Roman Rite. <\/font><\/i><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com\/2007\/08\/welcome-to-town-real-world.html\">LES RESTEN HER<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>P\u00e5 bloggen The New Liturgical Movement leste jeg nylig om en amerikansk familie som hadde flyttet til en ny by, og hadde sv\u00e6re problemer med \u00e5 finne en kirke \u00e5 g\u00e5 i som hadde en messefeiring de kunne klare \u00e5 holde ut. Jeg har selv snakket med flere utenlandske katolikker i det siste, og blitt [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3065","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3065","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3065"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3065\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5635,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3065\/revisions\/5635"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3065"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3065"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3065"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}