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Her er noen tanker jeg har gjort meg et par dager etter \u00e5 ha opplevd min aller f\u00f8rste tradisjonelle latinske messe (TLM):<\/p>\n
For det f\u00f8rste syns jeg det var fint at presten var lite opptatt av ytre prakt og stas. Man trenger selvsagt en del ting n\u00e5r man skal feire messe, men det trenger ikke alltid v\u00e6re eksklusivt og flott. Noen ganger f\u00e5r man dessverre inntrykk av at det ytre er det mest sentrale for noen tradisjonalister.<\/p>\n
Dernest var det godt at liturgien var et tydelig m\u00f8te med Gud; der forberedelse og rensing fra synd var viktig, der Kristi fullkomne offer ble l\u00f8fta fram for Gud, og der Gud blei tilbedt og takka p\u00e5 en passende m\u00e5te.<\/p>\n
At presten sa en hel del ting stille i messen (b\u00e5de i forberedelsen og selve canonb\u00f8nna) var ventet og det m\u00e5 man t\u00e5le \u2013 selv om det var uvant for noen av oss. Hvis vi hadde kjent TLM-liturgien bedre, hadde vi ikke v\u00e6rt s\u00e5 usikre og forvirra som noen av oss var.<\/p>\n
At presten aleine sier enkelte ting i messen som vi er vant med \u00e5 si sammen (Faderv\u00e5r, Gloria, og i stor grad ogs\u00e5 Credo, Sanctus, Agnus Dei), syns jeg er mindre naturlig. Det ser ut til \u00e5 v\u00e6re historiske grunner for noe av dette, men slike ting syns jeg nok virker un\u00f8dvendig passifiserende.<\/p>\n
Bibeltekstene lest p\u00e5 latin av presten, mens han st\u00e5r vendt mot alteret, syns jeg nok er det aller minst passende. Her b\u00f8r TLM l\u00e6re av den nye messen og lese bibeltekstene p\u00e5 et passende moderne spr\u00e5k, vendt mot folket.<\/p>\n
I den gamle messetradisjonen er det flere ulike messer, og det er mange sm\u00e5 ulikheter mellom disse messene som jeg ikke har noen oversikt over. Kanskje Trond kan hjelpe meg hvis noe av min kritikk ikke treffer.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
Her er noen tanker jeg har gjort meg et par dager etter \u00e5 ha opplevd min aller f\u00f8rste tradisjonelle latinske messe (TLM): For det f\u00f8rste syns jeg det var fint at presten var lite opptatt av ytre prakt og stas. Man trenger selvsagt en del ting n\u00e5r man skal feire messe, men det trenger ikke […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3074","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3074","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3074"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3074\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5630,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3074\/revisions\/5630"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3074"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3074"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3074"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}