{"id":3077,"date":"2007-08-30T11:57:55","date_gmt":"2007-08-30T09:57:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/876"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:29:12","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:29:12","slug":"erkebiskop-nichols-hilser-prester-som-%c3%b8ver-pa-den-tradisjonelle-latinske-messen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2007\/08\/erkebiskop-nichols-hilser-prester-som-%c3%b8ver-pa-den-tradisjonelle-latinske-messen\/","title":{"rendered":"Erkebiskop Nichols hilser prester som \u00f8ver p\u00e5 den tradisjonelle latinske messen"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Jeg <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.telegraph.co.uk\/ukcorrespondents\/holysmoke\/august2007\/archbishop_nichols.htm\">leste i dag om en preken erkebiskop Vincent Nichols<\/a> i Birmingham (i England) holdt for prester som er kommet sammen for \u00e5 \u00f8ve p\u00e5 den tradisjonelle latinske messen. Han legger stor vekt p\u00e5 rikdommen i den gamle messen, og hvordan den kan fokusere p\u00e5 en verdig feiring ogs\u00e5 av den nye messen (og at det er n\u00f8dvendig).<\/p>\n<p>Samtidig nevner han at Vatikankonsilet ba om noen forandringer i messen som hadde blitt feiret inntil da. (Dette punktet vil jeg gjerne se litt mer p\u00e5 snart; enkelte ting ble nevnt spesifikt av biskopene, men jeg er helt sikker p\u00e5 at de ikke hadde dr\u00f8mt om at forandringene skulle bli s\u00e5 store som de faktisk ble.)<\/p>\n<p><i><font color=\"#333399\">I hope that your study of the Missal of Pope John XXIII will help you to appreciate the history and richness of that form of the Mass. And I trust that you will bring all that you learn to every celebration of the Mass you lead in the future.<\/p>\n<p>I have no doubt that each of us must strive for improvements in the way the ordinary form of the Mass is celebrated so that its inner mystery and spiritual movement is more clearly set forth. As Pope Benedict says, we must do all we can to bring out the spiritual richness and theological depth of the Missal of Paul VI, \u2018for that will guarantee that the Missal of Paul VI will unite parish communities and be loved by them\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>Please remember that what you study here is not a relic, not a reverting to the past, but part of the living tradition of the Church. It is, therefore, to be understood and entered into in the light of that living tradition today.<\/p>\n<p>The Missal of Pope John XXIII will remain the extraordinary form of the celebration of the Mass, for, as Pope Benedict says, its use \u2018presupposes a certain degree of liturgical formation and some knowledge of the Latin language; neither of these is found very often\u2019. And the decision of the Church was that, for general use, it needed to be revised. But there are truths of which it can still remind us and it has treasures and consolation to offer.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/2007\/08\/archbishop-nichols-at-conference-on-the-older-mass\/\">Father Z. har ogs\u00e5 skrevet om dette p\u00e5 sin blog<\/a>, og f\u00e5tt inn ganske mange kommentarer, bl.a. en som sier at det godt kan tenkes at den nye og den gamle formen av messen vil smelte sammen; kanskje med TLM som utgangspunkt, men: &laquo;I, for one wouldn\u2019t object ot seeing the whole congregation singing the Pater Noster for example.&raquo;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jeg leste i dag om en preken erkebiskop Vincent Nichols i Birmingham (i England) holdt for prester som er kommet sammen for \u00e5 \u00f8ve p\u00e5 den tradisjonelle latinske messen. Han legger stor vekt p\u00e5 rikdommen i den gamle messen, og hvordan den kan fokusere p\u00e5 en verdig feiring ogs\u00e5 av den nye messen (og at [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3077","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3077","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3077"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3077\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5628,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3077\/revisions\/5628"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3077"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3077"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3077"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}