Jeg fikk nettopp inn en interessant kommentar til bloggen fra Sverige. Vedkommende svarer p\u00e5 en tidligere post der mange har skrevet kommentarer, og s\u00e5 p\u00e5peker han at det kanskje er et blindspor \u00e5 pr\u00f8ve \u00e5 dj\u00f8re Johannes XXII’s messe og Paul VI’s messe mest mulig lik hverandre, som noen tenker. Selv er jeg enn\u00e5 uferdig mht vurdering av den gamle messen, og tar gjerne imot innspill. Les kommentaren fra Jon i Sverige:<\/p>\n
Vad jag l\u00e4st ovan f\u00f6ranleder f\u00f6ljande fr\u00e5gor och synpunkter.
\n\u00c4r l\u00e4sningarna i m\u00e4ssan platt didaktiska? (Och \u00e4r inte den sortens l\u00e4sningar idag i s\u00e5 fall f\u00f6rlegade? Alla har v\u00e4l tillg\u00e5ng till Bibeln\u2026) Varf\u00f6r dr\u00f6jde det fram till 1930 innan n\u00e5gon \u00f6ver huvud taget kom upp med id\u00e9n om dialogm\u00e4ssan? Och slutligen: \u00e4r m\u00e4ssan ett slags b\u00f6nem\u00f6te fast med konsekration mitt i, eller \u00e4r m\u00e4ssan i st\u00e4llet n\u00e5got objektivt och himmelskt som \u00e4ger rum f\u00f6r Gud, \u00e4ven utan n\u00e4rvarande troende? Som hos de ortodoxa.<\/p>\n
Om man vill ha den nya m\u00e4ssan, \u00e4r nog den \u00e4ldre liturgin inte r\u00e4tt plats att g\u00e5 till. Att f\u00f6rs\u00f6ka bringa den \u00e4ldre m\u00e4ssliturgin s\u00e5 n\u00e4ra Paullus VI:s m\u00e4ssa som m\u00f6jligt, ja, det uppfattar jag som t\u00e4mligen f\u00f6rm\u00e4tet, sj\u00e4lvcentrerat och ytterligt modernt. Dessutom finns som sagt redan den nya m\u00e4ssan att g\u00e5 till. Varf\u00f6r \u00f6del\u00e4gga \u00e4ven den \u00e4ldre d\u00e4r den lever kvar???<\/p>\n
Den \u00e4ldre m\u00e4ssliturgin vilar p\u00e5 en annan uppfattning om vad som \u00e4r liturgins po\u00e4ng (adoratio et contemplatio) \u00e4n Paulus VI:s m\u00e4ssliturgi. D\u00e4rav skillnaderna.<\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
Jeg fikk nettopp inn en interessant kommentar til bloggen fra Sverige. Vedkommende svarer p\u00e5 en tidligere post der mange har skrevet kommentarer, og s\u00e5 p\u00e5peker han at det kanskje er et blindspor \u00e5 pr\u00f8ve \u00e5 dj\u00f8re Johannes XXII’s messe og Paul VI’s messe mest mulig lik hverandre, som noen tenker. Selv er jeg enn\u00e5 uferdig […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3100","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3100","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3100"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3100\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7181,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3100\/revisions\/7181"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3100"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3100"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3100"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}