{"id":3151,"date":"2007-10-08T10:10:40","date_gmt":"2007-10-08T08:10:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/951"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:04:15","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:04:15","slug":"den-finske-biskopen-har-gitt-ut-regler-for-feiring-av-den-gamle-messen-father-z-er-ikke-forn%c3%b8yd","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2007\/10\/den-finske-biskopen-har-gitt-ut-regler-for-feiring-av-den-gamle-messen-father-z-er-ikke-forn%c3%b8yd\/","title":{"rendered":"Den finske biskopen har gitt ut regler for feiring av den gamle messen &#8211; Father Z. er ikke forn\u00f8yd"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Biskopen av Helsingfors, J\u00f3zef Wr\u00f3bel SCJ, har skrevet et brev om den gamle og den nye messen, og mange regler for hvordan den kan feires. <a href=\"http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/2007\/10\/severe-statement-of-the-bp-of-helsinki-on-summorum-pontificum-legislating-unity-and-feelings\/\">Se Father Z.&#8217;s kommentarer<\/a>; han er ikke s\u00e6rlig forn\u00f8yd:<\/p>\n<p><font color=\"#333399\">The renewed Roman liturgy\u2014and especially the rite of Holy Mass\u2014was not any sort of an expression of modernism in the church.<\/font><font color=\"#FF0000\"> [But it was an expression of the Church\u2019s move to accomodate or adapt to the &laquo;modern world&raquo;, right?] <\/font><font color=\"#333399\">According to the decisions of the Second Vatican Council, the new liturgy was implemented with the permission of Pope Paul VI, so that the faithful could completely and actively participate in the liturgy and personally feel the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. <\/font><font color=\"#FF0000\">[O my!  This is simply dreadful.  The implication is that before the so-called post-Conciliar &laquo;renewal&raquo; people could neither participate actively or &laquo;personally feel the sacrifice of Jesus&raquo;.  Absurd.  This strikes me as betraying a rather simplistic idea of what &laquo;active participation&raquo; is.] <\/font><font color=\"#333399\">The reason for the use of the vernacular is that the faithful can, above all, fully understand the liturgy as well as be personally united in Jesus Christ. <\/font> <font color=\"#FF0000\">[O brother.  It\u2019s getting worse and worse.  First, you CAN\u2019T &laquo;fully understand&raquo; Holy Mass.  It is a mystery.  The language won\u2019t help you there.  Secondly, does that &laquo;personally united&raquo; phrase smack just a little of the evangelical\u2019s zeal for a personal relationship with Jesus approach?   I think it is great that people sense themselves to be &laquo;personally united&raquo;.  How else are they going to be united?  But this is simply strange.] <\/font><font color=\"#333399\">In this way, the faithful unite the burden of their lives with Him, who sacrifices himself. In this way, the faithful may partake in the Eucharist more fruitfully.<\/font> <font color=\"#FF0000\">  [Nonsense.  Take a look at the Martyrologium Romanum and start counting the entries of blesseds and saints who were formed on the newer &laquo;renewed&raquo; liturgy.  What were all those saints before the Council being nourished on?  Chopped liver?]<\/font><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Biskopen av Helsingfors, J\u00f3zef Wr\u00f3bel SCJ, har skrevet et brev om den gamle og den nye messen, og mange regler for hvordan den kan feires. Se Father Z.&#8217;s kommentarer; han er ikke s\u00e6rlig forn\u00f8yd: The renewed Roman liturgy\u2014and especially the rite of Holy Mass\u2014was not any sort of an expression of modernism in the church. 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