{"id":3190,"date":"2007-11-28T22:08:26","date_gmt":"2007-11-28T21:08:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/991"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:04:14","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:04:14","slug":"den-gamle-messen-forandrer-maten-prestene-feirer-den-nye-messen-pa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2007\/11\/den-gamle-messen-forandrer-maten-prestene-feirer-den-nye-messen-pa\/","title":{"rendered":"Den gamle messen forandrer m\u00e5ten prestene feirer den nye messen p\u00e5"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Etter at jeg i august for alvor begynte \u00e5 studere den gamle messen &#8211; for \u00e5 l\u00e6re \u00e5 bruke den &#8211; har jeg i ganske stor grad forandra m\u00e5ten jeg feirer den nye messen. Jeg bruker n\u00e5 nesten utelukkende den f\u00f8rste kanonb\u00f8nna, jeg har forandra m\u00e5ten jeg holder hendene p\u00e5 under messen og en del andre bevegelser, jeg bruker n\u00e5 palla p\u00e5 kalken og lokk p\u00e5 ciboriene under messen, jeg pr\u00f8ver \u00e5 alltid ha en stort krusifiks foran meg p\u00e5 alteret, jeg ser mindre p\u00e5 folk under store deler av messen (bortsett fra under prekenen o.l.) og fokuserer mer p\u00e5 hostien og krusifikset, i det siste har jeg ogs\u00e5 begynt \u00e5 holde tommel og pekerfinger sammen etter konsekreringa av kalken, slik prestene alltid gjorde tidligere. Disse forandringene (pluss flere andre) har f\u00f8rt til et st\u00f8rre fokus hos meg p\u00e5 det hellige i messen, p\u00e5 Kristi fullkomne offer som jeg her b\u00e6rer fram, og at jeg er en tjener for Kirken og for folket, og i mindre grad at jeg er en som gj\u00f8r\/presterer noe.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/2007\/11\/some-comments-by-priests-from-another-entry\/\">Father Z. tar opp noe av det samme p\u00e5 sin blog i dag<\/a>, og siterer hvordan noen prester opplever akkurat det samme som meg:<\/p>\n<p><i><font color=\"#333399\">Father J wrote:<br \/>\n&laquo;My celebration of the Novus Ordo is now tempered and has been considerably enhanced by what I feel when celebrating the TLM and the \u201ccontinuity\u201d of the Rite\u2019s seem to make more sense, though I feel I am supplementing from the old when celebrating the new. I know it is wrong to say it, but the Mass feels like The Mass in the extraordinary form and \u201cextraordinary\u201d seems a very fitting way to describe this awe inspiring rite.&raquo;<\/p>\n<p>Note here that learning the older form of Mass has changed the way this priest says the Novus Ordo. This is a major reason why Pope Benedict issued Summorum Pontificum, folks.  He knew that as the use of the older Mass would spread, those priests would rethink the way they said Mass.  They would therefore also rethink who they are. &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Fr. John Boyle said:<br \/>\n&laquo;It is thanks to laity that I now celebrate the Extraordinary Form on a regular basis for those faithful who adhere to it. It has transformed my priesthood and my celebration of the Mass. &#8230; Like others, when celebrating the Novus Ordo facing the people, I do so with a crucifix upstanding on the altar. I am now less conscious of any need to \u2018interact\u2019 with the faithful, I choose options less frequently and now adopt the Confiteor and Roman Canon as the default options for the celebration of Mass on all days. All subjectivism is removed. &#8230; In the fixed older usage, such clerical domination is impossible.&raquo;<\/p>\n<p>Again, a priest changes how he says the Novus Ordo.  Also, note that one cannot be so &laquo;clerical&raquo; in the negative sense, because the priest is controlled so closely by the older rubrics.  That drifts over into the way he says the newer Mass.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Etter at jeg i august for alvor begynte \u00e5 studere den gamle messen &#8211; for \u00e5 l\u00e6re \u00e5 bruke den &#8211; har jeg i ganske stor grad forandra m\u00e5ten jeg feirer den nye messen. Jeg bruker n\u00e5 nesten utelukkende den f\u00f8rste kanonb\u00f8nna, jeg har forandra m\u00e5ten jeg holder hendene p\u00e5 under messen og en del [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3190","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3190","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3190"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3190\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5114,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3190\/revisions\/5114"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3190"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3190"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3190"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}