{"id":3265,"date":"2008-01-14T20:47:56","date_gmt":"2008-01-14T19:47:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1065"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:03:40","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:03:40","slug":"hva-er-det-viktigste-i-den-tradisjonelle-latinske-messen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2008\/01\/hva-er-det-viktigste-i-den-tradisjonelle-latinske-messen\/","title":{"rendered":"Hva er det viktigste i den tradisjonelle latinske messen?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Om knapt tre uker (s\u00f8ndag 3\/2) skal jeg holde et foredrag om den tradisjonelle latinske messen her i Stavanger, og jeg holder forsiktig p\u00e5 \u00e5 systematisere min opplevelse av denne messen i forhold til den moderne messen.<\/p>\n

En ting er at den eukaristiske b\u00f8nn i TLM oppleves retta mer tydelig mot Gud, mens i den moderne messen kan prestene lett (feilaktig) oppleve at de ber den for folket. Den nye messen kan ogs\u00e5 feires sv\u00e6rt h\u00f8ytedelig, men da er det ofte noe som skurrer (i sammenhengen i messen, sysn jeg), mens i TLM henger ting bedre sammen. Mht. til ordets del er forholdet litt motsatt; en tradisjonell stille messe fungerer godt for presten, men ikke s\u00e5 godt overfor lekfolket som assisterer i messen – syns jeg s\u00e5 langt.<\/p>\n

Jeg tenkte litt p\u00e5 dette da jeg leste om en (gammel) prest som nettopp feiret sin f\u00f8rste TLM p\u00e5 40 \u00e5r. Han sier:<\/p>\n

Father Schmit said the Tridentine Mass was solemn and devotional. \u201cThe Mass in the vernacular can be just as devotional,\u201d he said, but the Tridentine rite is more solemn than the Mass as it has been celebrated since the reforms of the Second Vatican Council were instituted.<\/p>\n

Father Schmit said he personally prefers celebrating the Mass in the vernacular so that the congregation can readily understand the prayers of the Mass, but that he prefers the actions of the Tridentine rite because they return some of the solemnity of the Mass lost with the changes of Vatican II. \u201cThe Latin is not important, the solemnity is important,\u201d Father Schmit said.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n

Les hele denne rapporten<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Om knapt tre uker (s\u00f8ndag 3\/2) skal jeg holde et foredrag om den tradisjonelle latinske messen her i Stavanger, og jeg holder forsiktig p\u00e5 \u00e5 systematisere min opplevelse av denne messen i forhold til den moderne messen. En ting er at den eukaristiske b\u00f8nn i TLM oppleves retta mer tydelig mot Gud, mens i den […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3265","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3265","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3265"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3265\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5098,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3265\/revisions\/5098"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3265"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3265"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3265"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}