{"id":3269,"date":"2008-01-16T17:15:57","date_gmt":"2008-01-16T16:15:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1069"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:28:25","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:28:25","slug":"er-messen-et-b%c3%b8nnem%c3%b8te","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2008\/01\/er-messen-et-b%c3%b8nnem%c3%b8te\/","title":{"rendered":"Er messen et b\u00f8nnem\u00f8te?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Personlig tok det noen \u00e5r f\u00f8r jeg gradivis begynte \u00e5 se p\u00e5 messen stadig tydeligere som et offer, Kristi fullkomne offer, b\u00e5ret fram for Gud Fader av presten, og av folket sammen med ham. Det er nok denne forst\u00e5elsen f\u00f8rst og fremst som har f\u00e5tt meg (det siste halve \u00e5ret) til \u00e5 se med \u00e5pne og positive \u00f8yne p\u00e5 den tradisjonelle latinske messen. Der er det nemlig aldri noen tvil om at messen er et offer.<\/p>\n<p>I dag leser jeg ganske sjokkert <a href=\"http:\/\/amywelborn.wordpress.com\/2008\/01\/15\/what-a-picture-is-worth\/\">p\u00e5 Amy Welborns kjente blog<\/a>: <i><font color=\"#333399\">As I\u2019ve said before, my big ah-ha moment over the past couple of years has been the realization that most of us &#8211; myself included &#8211; have been formed to think of the Mass as a prayer meeting. A highly structured prayer meeting, but a prayer meeting nonetheless, one which emphasizes community and who we are in the here and now, a prayer meeting which should somehow be expressive of who we are as individuals and a community.<\/p>\n<p>Prayer meetings are good. But that\u2019s not what the Mass is.<\/p>\n<p>And that understanding is what I see reflected in the comments (about a traditional looking altar). It seems fairly obvious to me &#8211; those who respond positively to the photo seem to emphasize the Sacrificial aspect of the Mass, and the necessity of the ritual and other externals reflecting that reality. TSO said it well:<\/p>\n<p>It LOOKS like what it is &#8211; it looks like we are offering Jesus to the Father and asking Him (the Father) to look upon His son that we might be saved. The priest, in facing the altar, removes himself from focus and eliminates a distraction: the only thing we can look at, really, is Jesus in the Eucharist.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n<p>(<a href=\"http:\/\/amywelborn.wordpress.com\/2008\/01\/14\/necessary-conversations\/\">Starten p\u00e5 denne debatten begynte her<\/a>.) Er det ogs\u00e5 slik hos oss, at katolikker ser p\u00e5 messen f\u00f8rst og fremst som et fellesskapsm\u00e5ltid og et b\u00f8nnem\u00f8te?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Personlig tok det noen \u00e5r f\u00f8r jeg gradivis begynte \u00e5 se p\u00e5 messen stadig tydeligere som et offer, Kristi fullkomne offer, b\u00e5ret fram for Gud Fader av presten, og av folket sammen med ham. Det er nok denne forst\u00e5elsen f\u00f8rst og fremst som har f\u00e5tt meg (det siste halve \u00e5ret) til \u00e5 se med \u00e5pne [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3269","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3269","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3269"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3269\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5576,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3269\/revisions\/5576"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3269"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3269"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3269"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}