{"id":3300,"date":"2008-02-03T19:15:28","date_gmt":"2008-02-03T18:15:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1100"},"modified":"2012-07-15T21:07:40","modified_gmt":"2012-07-15T19:07:40","slug":"den-tradisjonelle-latinske-messen-hva-kan-den-betyr-for-oss-i-dag","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2008\/02\/den-tradisjonelle-latinske-messen-hva-kan-den-betyr-for-oss-i-dag\/","title":{"rendered":"Den tradisjonelle latinske messen. Hva kan den betyr for oss i dag?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><i><b>Messen er f\u00f8rst og fremst en offerhandling<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Mange vet sikkert at en av de viktigste tingene som skjedde ved reformasjonen var et oppgj\u00f8r med den tradisjonelle forst\u00e5elsen av messen som Kristi fullkomne offer b\u00e5ret fram for Gud Fader i himmelen. Siden jeg vokste opp i Den norske (lutherske) kirke hadde jeg derfor tidligere ikke tenkt p\u00e5 messen som et slikt offer. Det var heller ikke spesielt viktig for meg da jeg ble katolikk, det tok faktisk flere \u00e5r f\u00f8r jeg langsomt begynte \u00e5 forst\u00e5 at en slik forst\u00e5else av messen er avgj\u00f8rende for Den katolske (og den ortodokse) kirke.<\/p>\n<p>N\u00e5r jeg i kveld skal snakke om Den tradisjonelle latinske messen vil jeg ta utgangspunkt i dette sentrale poenget. I den gamle messen er det sv\u00e6rt tydelig at her b\u00e6rer presten, og menigheten sammen med ham, Golgata-offeret (i en litt annen, og sakramental form, men det samme offeret) fram for Gud v\u00e5r himmelske far. I den nye katolske messen er dette dessverre blitt noe mer uklart, (i alle fall blir det oppfattet mindre tydelig av mange katolikker) derfor trenger vi den gamle messen til \u00e5 justere v\u00e5r forst\u00e5else.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Slik begynner foredraget som jeg holder samtidig med at det legges ut p\u00e5 nettet &#8211; s\u00f8ndag kveld kl 19.00. Det er kanskje litt dristig, for jeg m\u00e5 kanskje forandre en hel del p\u00e5 det n\u00e5r jeg f\u00e5r pr\u00f8vd det foran ei forsamling. Jeg planlegger ogs\u00e5 \u00e5 ta opp foredraget, og gj\u00f8re det tilgjengelig som mp3-fil.<\/p>\n<p>G\u00c5 HIT for \u00e5 lese eller h\u00f8re hele foredraget.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Messen er f\u00f8rst og fremst en offerhandling Mange vet sikkert at en av de viktigste tingene som skjedde ved reformasjonen var et oppgj\u00f8r med den tradisjonelle forst\u00e5elsen av messen som Kristi fullkomne offer b\u00e5ret fram for Gud Fader i himmelen. Siden jeg vokste opp i Den norske (lutherske) kirke hadde jeg derfor tidligere ikke tenkt [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3300","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3300","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3300"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3300\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7189,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3300\/revisions\/7189"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3300"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3300"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3300"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}