{"id":3335,"date":"2008-03-04T12:57:09","date_gmt":"2008-03-04T11:57:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1136"},"modified":"2008-03-04T12:57:09","modified_gmt":"2008-03-04T11:57:09","slug":"ugyldig-dap-ma-d%c3%b8pes-pa-nytt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2008\/03\/ugyldig-dap-ma-d%c3%b8pes-pa-nytt\/","title":{"rendered":"Ugyldig d\u00e5p &#8211; m\u00e5 d\u00f8pes p\u00e5 nytt"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>For noen dager siden ble det kjent at Troskongregasjonen hadde gitt et endelig svar p\u00e5 sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l om gyldigheten av d\u00e5p som var gjort i &laquo;Skaperens, Forl\u00f8serens og Helliggj\u00f8rerens navn&raquo; e.l.. Det er typisk feministiske synspunkter som har f\u00e5tt noen prester til \u00e5 ikke bruke &laquo;kj\u00f8nnsbegrepene&raquo; Faderen, S\u00f8nnen og Den Hellige \u00c5nd, men jeg visst faktisk ikke at slikt hadde blitt praktisert i katolske kirke. Men det har det alts\u00e5, i Australia og i USA. Slik svarer Troskongregasjonen:<\/p>\n<p><i><font color=\"#333399\">RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS PROPOSED\u2028on the validity of Baptism conferred with the formulas\u2028\u00abI baptize you in the name of the Creator, and of the Redeemer, and of the Sanctifier\u00bb\u2028and \u00abI baptize you in the name of the Creator, and of the Liberator, and of the Sustainer\u00bb<\/p>\n<p>QUESTIONS<\/p>\n<p>First question: Whether the Baptism conferred with the formulas \u00abI baptize you in the name of the Creator, and of the Redeemer, and of the Sanctifier\u00bb and \u00abI baptize you in the name of the Creator, and of the Liberator, and of the Sustainer\u00bb is valid?<\/p>\n<p>Second question: Whether the persons baptized with those formulas have to be baptized in forma absoluta?<\/p>\n<p>RESPONSES<\/p>\n<p>To the first question: Negative.<br \/>\nTo the second question: Affirmative.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n<p>Ei slik d\u00e5psformulering er alts\u00e5 helt ugyldig og personer som er d\u00f8pt med slik d\u00e5p, m\u00e5 d\u00f8pes p\u00e5 nytt aboslutt (dvs. ikke med kondisjonal d\u00e5p). Det er sjokkernede at slikt har kunnet skje, syns jeg. Les mer om det <a href=\"http:\/\/south-ashford-priest.blogspot.com\/2008\/03\/feminist-baptismal-formula-invalid.html\">HER<\/a> og <a href=\"http:\/\/www.canonlaw.info\/2008\/02\/rules-on-baptism-are-meant-to-be.html\">HER<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For noen dager siden ble det kjent at Troskongregasjonen hadde gitt et endelig svar p\u00e5 sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l om gyldigheten av d\u00e5p som var gjort i &laquo;Skaperens, Forl\u00f8serens og Helliggj\u00f8rerens navn&raquo; e.l.. Det er typisk feministiske synspunkter som har f\u00e5tt noen prester til \u00e5 ikke bruke &laquo;kj\u00f8nnsbegrepene&raquo; Faderen, S\u00f8nnen og Den Hellige \u00c5nd, men jeg visst faktisk [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3335","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3335","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3335"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3335\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3335"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3335"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3335"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}