{"id":3409,"date":"2008-04-13T15:39:31","date_gmt":"2008-04-13T13:39:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1209"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:27:50","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:27:50","slug":"hvordan-pavirker-det-ytre-nar-man-feirer-messen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2008\/04\/hvordan-pavirker-det-ytre-nar-man-feirer-messen\/","title":{"rendered":"Hvordan p\u00e5virker det ytre n\u00e5r man feirer messen?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Ogs\u00e5 omgivelsene er viktige n\u00e5r man feirer messen, for det er vanskelige \u00e5 holde fokus innvendig hvis det ytre motarbeider det indre. Noen ganger feirer vi prester messen p\u00e5 f.eks. et helt vanlig bord, n\u00e5r vi reiser rundt omkring i l\u00e5nte lokaler eller private hjem. Det kan v\u00e6re litt vanskelig, men vi f\u00e5r gj\u00f8re det beste ut av det, det er ikke noe annet alternativ. Men n\u00e5r ei flott kirke er blitt \u00f8delagt, n\u00e5r et fint alter er tatt bort, da lurer man jo p\u00e5 hvorfor.<\/p>\n<p>I Norge har heldigvis de fleste katolske kirkene fortsatt et skikkelig alter, selv om det gamle h\u00f8yalteret er blitt borte. I Italia, derimot, er de nye bordalterne fra ca 1970 ganske horrible, og vi finner dem i hundrevis av kirker. Og det ubehagelige blir forsterket ved de flotte omgivelsene &#8211; som viser hvor fint et alter de virkelig har (og som de fortsatt burde brukt).<\/p>\n<p>Her er noen bilder (<a href=\"\/blog\/arkiv\/1208\">i tillegg til disse<\/a>) for \u00e5 illustrere mitt poeng. F\u00f8rst et bilde av hovedalteret i Peterskirken, som er flott, og slik det har v\u00e6rt i mange hundre \u00e5r &#8211; og under pave Benedikt er ogs\u00e5 de tradisjonelle lysestakene og krusifikset p\u00e5 plass igjen.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"> <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/blog\/bilde\/ptrkirken_alter.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Deretter to bilder fra St Maria supra Minerva, som viser hvor sjokkerende annerledes det blir n\u00e5r det gamle (offer)alteret blir erstatta med et bord-\/m\u00e5ltidsalter:<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"> <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/blog\/bilde\/stmaria_minerva.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"> <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/blog\/bilde\/stmaria_minerva2.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ogs\u00e5 omgivelsene er viktige n\u00e5r man feirer messen, for det er vanskelige \u00e5 holde fokus innvendig hvis det ytre motarbeider det indre. Noen ganger feirer vi prester messen p\u00e5 f.eks. et helt vanlig bord, n\u00e5r vi reiser rundt omkring i l\u00e5nte lokaler eller private hjem. Det kan v\u00e6re litt vanskelig, men vi f\u00e5r gj\u00f8re det [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3409","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3409","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3409"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3409\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5534,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3409\/revisions\/5534"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3409"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3409"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3409"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}