{"id":3514,"date":"2008-06-19T14:17:53","date_gmt":"2008-06-19T12:17:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1319"},"modified":"2008-06-19T14:17:53","modified_gmt":"2008-06-19T12:17:53","slug":"gir-den-tradisjonelle-latinske-messen-l%c3%b8sning-pa-alle-problemer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2008\/06\/gir-den-tradisjonelle-latinske-messen-l%c3%b8sning-pa-alle-problemer\/","title":{"rendered":"Gir den tradisjonelle latinske messen l\u00f8sning p\u00e5 alle problemer?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Tidligere i dag fikk jeg ei utfordring her p\u00e5 bloggen. <a href=\"\/blog\/arkiv\/1315#comment-13217\">En blogleser skriver<\/a>:<br \/>\n<i>&laquo;Jeg skulle gjerne vite hva du synes om p\u00e5stander (flere ganger presentert her p\u00e5 din blog) om at NO er skyld i n\u00e6r sagt alt det negative i Kirken, alt fra seksuelle overgrep til synkende interesse for \u2018\u00e5 g\u00e5 i kirken\u2019. Meg bekjent er det for det meste NO som feires i Norge &#8211; ogs\u00e5 i Stavanger. Og det er vel ikke s\u00e5 mye som tyder p\u00e5 at menigheten i Stavanger &#8211; eller ellers i Norge &#8211; lider under NO. Men det er min oppfatning. Hva mener du?&raquo;<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Jeg m\u00e5 si at jeg ikke kjenner til disse synspunktene; at den nye messen skulle v\u00e6re hovedproblemet i v\u00e5r Kirke. Det er mange som mener at flere ting som skjedde <strong>etter<\/strong> konsilet f\u00f8rte til uheldige ting; alt skulle moderniseres mente mange, kirkebygningene, katekesen, selve den katolske moral og tro til en viss grad, liturgien skulle bli helt ny (langt ut over det de nye messeb\u00f8kene la opp til), prester og nonner i tusentall forlot sitt kall etc. De siste ca 20 \u00e5r har mange strevd for \u00e5 vinne tilbake en sann, katolsk identitet, men de fleste som arbeider med bl.a. \u00e5 styrke liturgien, \u00f8nsker \u00e5 feire den nye messen p\u00e5 en verdig m\u00e5te, og har ikke vurdert \u00e5 ta i bruk igjen den gamle messen (muligens har de begynt \u00e5 tenke p\u00e5 dette de siste m\u00e5nedene).<\/p>\n<p>Personlig opplevde jeg den tradisjonelle latinske messen for f\u00f8rste gang i august i fjor, og mitt f\u00f8rste inntrykk var at den virka noks\u00e5 vanskelig tilgjengelig. Mht. de andre sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5lsstillingene jeg nevnte her h\u00f8rer jeg med blant de noks\u00e5 konservative, men min interesse for den tradisjonelle latinske messen bunner i at denne liturgien m\u00e5 en sv\u00e6rt tydelig m\u00e5te viser at messen f\u00f8rst og fremst er Kristi fullkomne offer som b\u00e6res fram for Gud, et fokus som har blitt stadig viktigere for meg de siste 5 \u00e5ra. Det er f\u00f8rst det siste halve \u00e5ret at jeg har forst\u00e5tt at den gamle liturgien (i st\u00f8rre grad enn den nye messen) nettopp f\u00f8rer til at messens offer blir udiskutabelt tydelig \u2013 og det er hovedgrunnen til at jeg interesserer meg for den.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tidligere i dag fikk jeg ei utfordring her p\u00e5 bloggen. En blogleser skriver: &laquo;Jeg skulle gjerne vite hva du synes om p\u00e5stander (flere ganger presentert her p\u00e5 din blog) om at NO er skyld i n\u00e6r sagt alt det negative i Kirken, alt fra seksuelle overgrep til synkende interesse for \u2018\u00e5 g\u00e5 i kirken\u2019. Meg [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[15],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3514","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-teologi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3514","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3514"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3514\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3514"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3514"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3514"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}