{"id":3515,"date":"2008-06-20T14:50:01","date_gmt":"2008-06-20T12:50:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1320"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:27:45","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:27:45","slug":"avsuttende-ord-i-st-olav-tidsskrift-om-den-gamle-messen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2008\/06\/avsuttende-ord-i-st-olav-tidsskrift-om-den-gamle-messen\/","title":{"rendered":"Avsuttende ord i St. Olav tidsskrift om den gamle messen"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I siste nummer av St. Olav tidsskrift skriver redakt\u00f8r Henrik Holm:<\/p>\n<p><i>Avsluttende ord i debatten om den gamle ritus<br \/>\nFra og med september 2007 har det p\u00e5g\u00e5tt en debatt i St. Olav om pavens Motu proprio, der han \u00e5pnet for feiringen av den gamle ritus. Det er ingen tvil om det dreier seg om et s\u00e5rt tema. Noen har gitt uttrykk for at de f\u00f8lte deres gamle ritus ble tatt fra dem, mens andre opplevde den nye messen som en befrielse. Heldigvis er det n\u00e5 rom for begge ritene i Den katolske kirke. Uansett hvordan man vil stille seg debatten, er en ting sikkert: \u00c5 spille de to ritene ut mot hverandre, er fundamentalt galt og n\u00e6rmest ukatolsk. Selv om enkelte vil bestride det, er i begge ritene Kristi offer det avgj\u00f8rende, uansett om det feires p\u00e5 den gamle eller nye m\u00e5ten. Personlig har jeg ingenting imot den gamle ritus, men n\u00e5r enkelte pr\u00f8ver \u00e5 overbevise meg om at offeret liksom ikke er fullt og helt til stede i den nye messen, er det vanskelig \u00e5 ikke bli provosert.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Jeg er takknemlig for at redakt\u00f8ren har gitt plass for en debatt om den tradisjonelle latinske messen i tidsskriftet, og jeg er enig i at det her selvsagt ikke er snakk om et enten &#8211; eller. Men det han sier om forst\u00e5elsen av messen som offer, forst\u00e5r jeg ikke. Det er jo ikke snakk om at Kristi fullkomne offer ikke b\u00e6res fram ogs\u00e5 i den nye messen, for det gj\u00f8r det, og det gj\u00f8res selvsagt p\u00e5 sammem m\u00e5ten som i den gamle messen. Problemet er at offeraspektet i messen f\u00e5r en mindre tydelig plass, p\u00e5 bekostning av m\u00e5ltidsaspektet. I noen messer blir det s\u00e5 utydelig at det i stor grad forvirrer de troende, noe som selvsagt er sv\u00e6rt uheldig.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I siste nummer av St. Olav tidsskrift skriver redakt\u00f8r Henrik Holm: Avsluttende ord i debatten om den gamle ritus Fra og med september 2007 har det p\u00e5g\u00e5tt en debatt i St. Olav om pavens Motu proprio, der han \u00e5pnet for feiringen av den gamle ritus. Det er ingen tvil om det dreier seg om et [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3515","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3515","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3515"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3515\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5494,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3515\/revisions\/5494"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3515"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3515"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3515"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}