{"id":3554,"date":"2008-07-27T15:59:37","date_gmt":"2008-07-27T13:59:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1357"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:27:11","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:27:11","slug":"om-gradvis-innf%c3%b8ring-av-en-ny-katolsk-messe-i-usa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2008\/07\/om-gradvis-innf%c3%b8ring-av-en-ny-katolsk-messe-i-usa\/","title":{"rendered":"Om gradvis innf\u00f8ring av en ny katolsk messe i USA"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Jeg spurte om innf\u00f8ringa av den nye messen i Norge <a href=\"\/blog\/arkiv\/1352\">i et tidligere innlegg<\/a>. Jeg har f\u00e5tt oppgitt navnet p\u00e5 en person som sannsynligvis vet mye om dette, og som jeg skal ringe snart, og personer jeg har snakka med i Stavanger gir inntrykk av at den nye liturgien ikke kom som et sjokk p\u00e5 folk. Forandringene kom gradvis (men her m\u00e5 jeg sp\u00f8rre etter flere detaljer) og i alle fall de f\u00f8rste \u00e5ra etter 1969 ble den nye messen feira p\u00e5 en fin og verdig m\u00e5te.<\/p>\n<p>Jeg <a href=\"http:\/\/terrenceberres.com\/2007\/07\/new-liturgy-documents-out.html\">fant ogs\u00e5 p\u00e5 en amerkansk nettside<\/a> eksempler p\u00e5 hvordan forandringene i messen kom noks\u00e5 gradvis flere steder der:<\/p>\n<p><i><font color=\"#333399\">I&#8217;ve never been able to quite catch on to the whole carrying-on about &laquo;rupture&raquo; &#8230; with slow and careful implementation and good cetechesis I went almost seamlessly from the Mass of 1962 as permitted by the bishop, which was the dialogue Missa Cantata, right to the current Mostly-Sung Dialogue Mass in the Known Tongue &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; We were already responding to everything, in Latin. And we all already knew the Known Tongue (English) version of the Our Father, and its adapted chant. So we had to learn the Known Tongue versions of the Confiteor, the Holy, and the Agnus Dei, and one musical setting for the last two. That takes more than three months?<\/p>\n<p>Or was this diocese coming straight from the Old Old Mass. the one where only the priest and altar boy prayed Mass and everyone else recited the rosary and the prayers on the petpetual novena card? &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; I remember the Old Rite fondly, and we all prayed the Mass. I prefer those days and that Mass to the profanity circus taking place in most our parishes, where people don&#8217;t even bother to genuflect to the Most Holy of Holies. &#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; The teaching about how to pray and sing the Mass began, where I was, a couple of years before I was born, in the early to mid 1950s. Changing languages just made it less difficult to do. &#8230;.<br \/>\n<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jeg spurte om innf\u00f8ringa av den nye messen i Norge i et tidligere innlegg. Jeg har f\u00e5tt oppgitt navnet p\u00e5 en person som sannsynligvis vet mye om dette, og som jeg skal ringe snart, og personer jeg har snakka med i Stavanger gir inntrykk av at den nye liturgien ikke kom som et sjokk p\u00e5 [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3554","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3554","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3554"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3554\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5477,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3554\/revisions\/5477"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3554"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3554"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3554"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}