{"id":3562,"date":"2008-08-01T06:54:07","date_gmt":"2008-08-01T04:54:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1368"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:03:00","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:03:00","slug":"kan-man-motta-kommunion-i-sspx-messer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2008\/08\/kan-man-motta-kommunion-i-sspx-messer\/","title":{"rendered":"Kan man motta kommunion i SSPX-messer?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Under <a href=\"\/blog\/arkiv\/1364\">et tidligere innlegg<\/a> er det kommet en del sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l om SSPX, (Fraternitas) <strong>Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii X<\/strong>. Slik har folk spurt og svart:<\/p>\n<p><i>Sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l:<br \/>\nEr det ok for \u201cvanlige katolikker\u201d \u00e5 g\u00e5 til kommunion hos FSSP-prester? Og hos SSPX?<\/p>\n<p>Svar:<br \/>\nHos FSSP er selvsagt helt OK \u00e5 motta kommunion \u2013 det er jo et broderskap stifta etter initiativ av pave Johannes Paul II, og de er en fullt ut integrert del av Den katolske Kirke.<\/p>\n<p>SSPX er noe annet, og der vil jeg ikke anbefale at man mottar kommunion.<\/p>\n<p>Sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l:<br \/>\nHva er SSPX? Og hvorfor b\u00f8r man ikke motta kommunion der? Er det andre steder man ikke b\u00f8r motta kommunion?<\/p>\n<p>Svar:<br \/>\nErkebiskop Lefebvre protesterte under og etter Vatinaknkonsilet p\u00e5 de mange forandringene i Kirken, og p\u00e5 innf\u00f8ringen av den nye messen. Han og hans etterf\u00f8lgere levde i et ulydighetsforhold til Vatikanet i flere \u00e5ret, og da han 30. juni 1988 mot pavens vilje ordinerte fire biskoper, ble han og de fire nye biskopene automatisk ekskommunisert. Les <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Society_of_St._Pius_X\">mer om SSPX her<\/a>  \u2013 og father Z. skriver her om <a href=\"http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/2008\/06\/the-holy-sees-5-conditions-for-the-sspx\/\">fors\u00f8kene denne sommeren p\u00e5 \u00e5 komme til enighet igjen<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l:<br \/>\nVil det si at det anses som \u201culovlig\u201d \u00e5 g\u00e5 til kommunion hos Lefebvristene?<\/p>\n<p>Svar 1:<br \/>\nJeg vil bevisst ikke uttale meg for bastant om SSPX, men jeg vil ikke r\u00e5de noen til \u00e5 motta kommunion hos dem.<\/p>\n<p>Svar 2:<br \/>\nNei, det er ikke ulovlig. Riktignok er der en uavklart kanonisk situasjon, men det er ikke ulovlig. Det eneste man trenger \u00e5 gj\u00f8re er \u00e5 sjekke hva Ecclesia Dei-kommisjonen sier om mottak av kommunionen hos SSPX. Fullstendig lovlig \u00e5 gj\u00f8re, s\u00e5 lenge man ikke gj\u00f8re det med et kirkesplittende hensyn &#8230; <\/i><\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br \/>\nS\u00e5 langt kommentarene. Jeg vil gjenta det jeg skrev i kommentarene over, at jeg vil frar\u00e5de katolikker \u00e5 motta kommunion hos SSPX. Jeg kan henvise til Father Z., som <a href=\"http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/2007\/08\/q-can-i-go-to-mass-at-an-sspx-chapel\/\">skriver grundig om dette temaet her<\/a>, og hans konklusjon er <i><font color=\"#333399\">&laquo;that you could attend even an illicit Mass, though I would hope with some restraint, but that you should not receive Communion.&raquo; <\/font><\/i><\/p>\n<p>Og Vatikanets &laquo;Ecclesia Dei&raquo;-kommisjon skrev i 1995:<\/p>\n<p><i><font color=\"#333399\">The Masses [SSPX priests] celebrate are also valid, but it is considered morally illicit for the faithful to participate in these Masses unless they are physically or morally impeded from participating in a Mass celebrated by a Catholic priest in good standing (cf. Code of Canon Law, canon 844.2). The fact of not being able to assist at the celebration of the so-called &laquo;Tridentine&raquo; Mass is not considered a sufficient motive for attending such Masses. <\/font><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Under et tidligere innlegg er det kommet en del sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l om SSPX, (Fraternitas) Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii X. Slik har folk spurt og svart: Sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l: Er det ok for \u201cvanlige katolikker\u201d \u00e5 g\u00e5 til kommunion hos FSSP-prester? Og hos SSPX? Svar: Hos FSSP er selvsagt helt OK \u00e5 motta kommunion \u2013 det er jo et broderskap [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3562","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3562","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3562"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3562\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5053,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3562\/revisions\/5053"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3562"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3562"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3562"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}