{"id":3591,"date":"2008-08-22T13:03:18","date_gmt":"2008-08-22T11:03:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1398"},"modified":"2012-02-13T10:53:24","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T09:53:24","slug":"kan-man-fortsatt-si-i-faderens-og-s%c3%b8nnens-og-den-hellige-ands-navn","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2008\/08\/kan-man-fortsatt-si-i-faderens-og-s%c3%b8nnens-og-den-hellige-ands-navn\/","title":{"rendered":"Kan man fortsatt si \u201cI Faderens og S\u00f8nnens og Den Hellige \u00c5nds navn\u201d?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Jeg var for ikke lenge siden med p\u00e5 en \u00f8kumenisk gudstjeneste, der den norske kirkes liturg bevisst ikke ville \u00e5pne gudstjenesten &laquo;I Faderens og S\u00f8nnens og Den Hellige \u00c5nds navn&raquo;, siden det ogs\u00e5 var en del muslimer til stede. Det syntes jeg var underlig og litt ubehagelig, men akkurat der og da var det ikke s\u00e5 mye jeg kunne gj\u00f8re med det.<\/p>\n<p>Den norske kirke arbeider videre med sin gudstjenestereform. Jeg <a href=\"\/blog\/arkiv\/1339\">skrev ogs\u00e5 litt om det for en m\u00e5ned siden<\/a>, da handla det om syndsbekjennelsen. N\u00e5 handler det om \u00e5 v\u00e6re kj\u00f8nnsn\u00f8ytral. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vl.no\/kristenliv\/article3730609.ece\">Slik kan vi lese i V\u00e5rt Land<\/a>:<br \/>\n<i> I et h\u00f8ringsbrev fra Kirker\u00e5det heter det man i denne omgang har n\u00f8yd seg med \u00e5 supplere typiske mannlige termer med mer kj\u00f8nnsn\u00f8ytrale begreper for \u00e5 beskrive Gud. Samtidig heter det at det p\u00e5 \u00abet sent tidspunkt i arbeidsprosessen\u00bb er kommet signaler p\u00e5 at det \u00abkan v\u00e6re behov for \u00e5 se p\u00e5 nytt p\u00e5 forholdet mellom personene i treenigheten, slik de er presentert bl.a. i nattverdb\u00f8nnene.\u00bb<\/p>\n<p>Feministteolog og kapellan Gyrid Gunnes mener det er prisverdig av Kirker\u00e5det \u00e5 invitere til debatt om inkluderende spr\u00e5k, men konstaterer at det bare dreier seg om \u00e5 supplere klassiske formuleringer. Gud er fortsatt mann og tiltales som herre og konge.<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 Skal vi f\u00f8rst bruke suppleringsstrategien, b\u00f8r det v\u00e6re med et eksplisitt feministisk spr\u00e5k. <strong>Da m\u00e5 Gud omtales som \u00abmor\u00bb<\/strong>. Det m\u00e5 v\u00e6re reell likestilling, sier Gunnes.<\/p>\n<p>I et tidligere utkast til h\u00f8ringsbrevet heter det at \u00abdet kan v\u00e6re problematisk \u00e5 bruke tilretteleggingen <strong>Gud &#8211; S\u00f8nnen &#8211; Den hellige \u00e5nd<\/strong>\u00bb.<\/p>\n<p>Denne versjonen ligger fortsatt ute p\u00e5 kirken.no som en del av den offisielle presentasjonen av h\u00f8ringspapirene. Men i Kirker\u00e5dets endelige versjon er den omstridte setningen str\u00f8ket. <\/i><\/p>\n<p>Det var for\u00f8vrig Gyrid Gunnes som nylig ikke ville d\u00f8pe barn &laquo;I Faderens og S\u00f8nnens og Den Hellige \u00c5nds navn&raquo; &#8211; <a href=\"\/blog\/arkiv\/1162\">SE HER<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jeg var for ikke lenge siden med p\u00e5 en \u00f8kumenisk gudstjeneste, der den norske kirkes liturg bevisst ikke ville \u00e5pne gudstjenesten &laquo;I Faderens og S\u00f8nnens og Den Hellige \u00c5nds navn&raquo;, siden det ogs\u00e5 var en del muslimer til stede. Det syntes jeg var underlig og litt ubehagelig, men akkurat der og da var det ikke [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[14],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3591","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-okumenikk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3591","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3591"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3591\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4727,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3591\/revisions\/4727"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3591"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3591"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3591"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}