{"id":3599,"date":"2008-08-26T08:59:50","date_gmt":"2008-08-26T06:59:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1405"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:27:07","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:27:07","slug":"erkebiskop-malcolm-ranjith-har-bade-positive-og-negative-ting-a-si-om-den-nye-messen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2008\/08\/erkebiskop-malcolm-ranjith-har-bade-positive-og-negative-ting-a-si-om-den-nye-messen\/","title":{"rendered":"Erkebiskop Malcolm Ranjith har b\u00e5de positive og negative ting \u00e5 si om den nye messen"},"content":{"rendered":"

Sekret\u00e6ren for sakramentskongregasjonen i Vatikanet, erkebiskop Malcolm Ranjith, var i Maria Vesperbild i Bayern for \u00e5 feire festen for Marias opptagelse i himmelen, 15. august. Da han var der, ble han intervjua av den tyske, katolske avisa, Die Tagespost. Og litt av intervjuet (om lituriske sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l) er oversatt til engelsk p\u00e5 bloggen NLM<\/a> – etter hvert er hele intervjuet blitt oversatt. Jeg deler erkebiskopens svar om liturgien opp i fem deler, og skriver min egen kommentar til hver del:<\/p>\n

Die Tagespost: In what way has the postconciliar liturgical reform contributed to a spiritual renewal?<\/p>\n

Msgr. Ranjith: The use of the vernacular has let many people understand the mystery of the Eucharist more deeply and has procured a more intense relationship with the texts of Scripture. The active participation of the faithful has been encouraged. <\/font><\/i><\/p>\n

De positive ting han legger vekt p\u00e5 er alts\u00e5, 1) forts\u00e5else av liturgien (pga. morsm\u00e5let), 2) at flere bibeltekster i messen er positivt for de troende, og 3) at aktiv (ytre) deltakelse er blitt styrka. (B\u00e5de gjennom Pius X’s vekt p\u00e5 felles gregoriansk sang, og senere \u00e5pning for menighetssvar, spesielt under Pius XII – dette kom egentlig ikke inn etter konsilet.)<\/p>\n

However, this must not mean that Mass is to be entirely dialogue-oriented. Mass must have moments of silence, of inwardness and personal prayer. Where there is ceaseless talking, man cannot be deeply penetrated by mystery. We are not to talk uninterruptedly before God, but to also let Him speak. <\/font><\/i><\/p>\n

Denne vektlegginga p\u00e5 stillheten syns jeg absolutt b\u00f8r tas opp igjen. Jeg kjenner ikke til at dette egentlig er et samtaletema i v\u00e5r tid.<\/p>\n

The liturgical renewal has been affected, however, by the experimental arbitrariness with which Mass today is being freely performed as «do-it-yourself liturgy». The spirit of the liturgy has, in a manner of speaking, been abducted. What has happened cannot now be undone anymore.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n

Det m\u00e5 bli slutt p\u00e5 at prester og menigheter tar seg alle slags friheter i messefeiringa; man m\u00e5 alltid «gj\u00f8re det som st\u00e5r med r\u00f8d tekst og si det som st\u00e5r med svart tekst».<\/p>\n

The fact is that our churches have become emptier. Of course there are also other factors: the unbridled consumerist behaviour, secularism, an excessive image of man. <\/font><\/i><\/p>\n

I mange land blir kirkene stadig tommere, og erkebiskopen innr\u00f8mmer at det selvsagt er flere grunner til dette, men d\u00e5rlig messefeiring er ogs\u00e5 en av faktorene.<\/p>\n

We have to muster the courage to correct course, because not everything which happened after the reform of the liturgy was according to the intention of the Council. Why should we drag along ballast which the Council did not want at all?<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n

Kursen m\u00e5 absolutt justeres, feil m\u00e5 rettes opp, og vi m\u00e5 pr\u00f8ve \u00e5 gj\u00f8re det konsilfedrene virkelig \u00f8nska i 1962-65.<\/p>\n

Jeg syns disse kommentarene er interessante. Erkebiskopen uttaler seg balansert og klarer \u00e5 fokusere p\u00e5 de viktigste temaene i det videre liturgiske arbeidet.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Sekret\u00e6ren for sakramentskongregasjonen i Vatikanet, erkebiskop Malcolm Ranjith, var i Maria Vesperbild i Bayern for \u00e5 feire festen for Marias opptagelse i himmelen, 15. august. Da han var der, ble han intervjua av den tyske, katolske avisa, Die Tagespost. Og litt av intervjuet (om lituriske sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l) er oversatt til engelsk p\u00e5 bloggen NLM – etter […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3599","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3599","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3599"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3599\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5457,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3599\/revisions\/5457"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3599"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3599"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3599"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}