{"id":3624,"date":"2008-09-11T13:54:14","date_gmt":"2008-09-11T11:54:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1432"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:27:05","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:27:05","slug":"mer-om-messens-fokus-pa-jesu-offer-pa-korset","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2008\/09\/mer-om-messens-fokus-pa-jesu-offer-pa-korset\/","title":{"rendered":"Mer om messens fokus – p\u00e5 Jesu offer p\u00e5 korset"},"content":{"rendered":"

Jeg diskuterte for ikke lenge siden<\/a> om messen\/ nattverden fokuser p\u00e5 Jesu m\u00e5ltid med apsotlene, eller enda mer p\u00e5 hans offerd\u00f8d p\u00e5 korset. N\u00e5r vi ser p\u00e5 fokuset i selve Skj\u00e6rtorsdags kveldsmesse blir dette enda klarere:<\/p>\n

Slik er nemlig messens introitus:
\nNos autem gloriari oportet in cruce Domini nostri Iesu Christi: in quo est salus, vita, et resurrectio nostra: per quem salvati, et liberati sumus. – I v\u00e5r Herres Jesu Kristi kors er all v\u00e5r ros. I ham er v\u00e5r frelse, v\u00e5rt liv og v\u00e5r oppstandelse; ved ham er vi frelst og fridd ut.<\/b><\/p>\n

Graduale (bare i den gamle messen):
\nChristus factus est pro nobis obediens usque ad mortem, mortem autem crucis. V.: Propter quod et Deus exaltavit illum: et dedit illi nomen, quod est super omne nomen. – Kristus er blitt lydig for oss til d\u00f8den p\u00e5 korset. Derfor har ogs\u00e5 Gud opph\u00f8yet ham og gitt ham et navn som er over alle navn.<\/b><\/p>\n

Jeg leste om dette i kommentarene til en post p\u00e5 bloggen The New liturgical Movement<\/a>, som tar utgangspunkt i salmevalget i messen.<\/p>\n

«Gathering song» implies that Mass is something like a family reunion, a dinner party, a staff meeting, or some other people-center event in which people just sort of show up and enjoy each other’s company.<\/p>\n

This idea immediately followed Vatican II and comes from the Protestant experience. The Mass for Catholics became mainly a meal where people get together to eat, and so we have the family atmosphere of a meal for the Mass. I think we are slowly getting away from this view and going back to look traditionally at the Mass mainly as a sacrifice, and like all sacrifices it incorporates the meal aspect. But the music has still not been following this change. In fact the best way to accelerate the change is to change the music.<\/p>\n

Which raises the question of the celebration of the Last Supper on Maundy Thursday, coincidentally, with the introit of this Sunday: the introit of MT does not celebrate the Last Supper as a meal, but as a sacrifice of Christ on the cross within the Eucharistic meal of the evening. In fact the famous gradual Christus Factus Est says everything about Maundy Thursday; but following the change of emphasis after Vatican II that gradual was extricated from Maundy Thursday in the Novus Ordo and placed on Palm Sunday.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Jeg diskuterte for ikke lenge siden om messen\/ nattverden fokuser p\u00e5 Jesu m\u00e5ltid med apsotlene, eller enda mer p\u00e5 hans offerd\u00f8d p\u00e5 korset. N\u00e5r vi ser p\u00e5 fokuset i selve Skj\u00e6rtorsdags kveldsmesse blir dette enda klarere: Slik er nemlig messens introitus: Nos autem gloriari oportet in cruce Domini nostri Iesu Christi: in quo est salus, […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3624","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3624","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3624"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3624\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5447,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3624\/revisions\/5447"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3624"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3624"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3624"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}