{"id":3827,"date":"2009-01-09T16:18:53","date_gmt":"2009-01-09T15:18:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1640"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:25:38","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:25:38","slug":"et-kors-mellom-presten-og-folket-er-en-betingelse-for-a-kunne-feire-messen-versus-poulum","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2009\/01\/et-kors-mellom-presten-og-folket-er-en-betingelse-for-a-kunne-feire-messen-versus-poulum\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cEt kors mellom presten og folket er en betingelse for \u00e5 kunne feire messen versus populum.\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"center\"> <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/blog\/bilde\/08jan_pave_sixt.jpg\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Det er n\u00e5 akkurat et \u00e5r siden pave Benedikt feiret messen &#8216;versus Deum&#8217; i det sixtinske kapell (<a href=\"\/blog\/arkiv\/1062\">jeg skrev om det her<\/a>), p\u00e5 festen for Herrens d\u00e5p, og han skal gj\u00f8re det igjen i \u00e5r. I forbindelse med det, leste jeg i g\u00e5r en samling sitater av paven der han argumenterer for hvorfor det er naturlig \u00e5 feire messen vendt mot Gud, og hvor lite naturlig det er at presten og folket ser (mye) p\u00e5 hverandre under messefeiringa. (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.newliturgicalmovement.org\/2009\/01\/rumor-watch-ecclesia-dei-to-become-part.html\">Les flere sitater p\u00e5 NLM-bloggen<\/a>):<\/p>\n<p><i <<font color=\"#333399\">[T]he cross on the altar is not obstructing the view; it is a common point of reference. It is an open &laquo;iconostasis&raquo; which, far from hindering unity, actually facilitates it: it is the image which draws and unites the attention of everyone. <strong>I would even be so bold as to suggest that the cross on the altar is actually a necessary precondition for celebrating toward the people<\/strong>. &#8230;<\/p>\n<p> [A]common turning to the east during the Eucharistic Prayer remains essential. This is not a case of something accidental, but of what is essential. Looking at the priest has no importance. What matters is looking together at the Lord. &#8230; &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Moving the altar cross to the side to give an uninterrupted view of the priest is something I regard as one of the truly absurd phenomena of recent decades. &#8230; &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; today celebration versus populum really does look like the characteristic fruit of Vatican II&#8217;s liturgical renewal. In fact it is the most conspicuous consequence of a reordering that not only signifies a new external arrangement of the places dedicated to the liturgy, but also brings with it a new idea of the essence of the liturgy&#8211;the liturgy as a communal meal. &#8230; &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>[A]mong the faithful there is an increasing sense of the problems inherent in an arrangement that hardly shows the liturgy to be open to the things that are above and to the world to come.<\/p>\n<p><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Det er n\u00e5 akkurat et \u00e5r siden pave Benedikt feiret messen &#8216;versus Deum&#8217; i det sixtinske kapell (jeg skrev om det her), p\u00e5 festen for Herrens d\u00e5p, og han skal gj\u00f8re det igjen i \u00e5r. I forbindelse med det, leste jeg i g\u00e5r en samling sitater av paven der han argumenterer for hvorfor det er [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3827","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3827","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3827"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3827\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5362,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3827\/revisions\/5362"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3827"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3827"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3827"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}