{"id":3889,"date":"2009-02-14T18:32:58","date_gmt":"2009-02-14T17:32:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1707"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:25:37","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:25:37","slug":"presten-skal-gj%c3%b8re-seg-mest-mulig-usynlig-nar-han-feirer-messen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2009\/02\/presten-skal-gj%c3%b8re-seg-mest-mulig-usynlig-nar-han-feirer-messen\/","title":{"rendered":"Presten skal gj\u00f8re seg mest mulig usynlig n\u00e5r han feirer messen"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Lesere av bloggen blir nok ikke overraska n\u00e5r jeg igjen nevner temaet om hvordan messen best skal feires. Presten skal helst ikke komme i veien, ikke stikke seg fram, er budskapet i dag. <a href=\"http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/2009\/02\/what-happens-when-we-get-out-of-the-way\">Slik skriver en prest<\/a> om reaksjoner han fikk etter en messe:<\/p>\n<p><i><font color=\"#333399\">I have a story to tell and I am not bragging at all but my point is simply how good it is just doing things the way they should be done without putting one\u2019s personality in the forefront.<\/p>\n<p>A lady came to my Sunday Mass just this last Sunday and she stopped by the sacristy to tell me that I say the Mass better than any priest in .  We have 7 priests here in total.  I had never seen or spoken to her before so any partiality is non existent.  Also, the Saturday evening before, I said the evening Mass in another town \u2026 and after Mass an elderly lady said to me, &laquo;What a beautiful Mass.  We\u2019ve never seen such a nice Mass and to think! &#8230; &#8230; We had to get it from an American!&raquo; <\/font><\/i><\/p>\n<p>Noen av de mange kommentarene til dette inlegget er ogs\u00e5 interessant lesning. Her er noen utvalgte:<br \/>\n<i><font color=\"#333399\"> I am not bragging because I didn\u2019t do anything special.  I say Mass soberly and simply preach.  I am truly convinced that less personality is better and is liberating during the Mass except when showing enthusiasm for Catholicity and all its realities during the homily.  I owe a great deal of my formation to you for I learned the Mass on my own and my attitude was formed in a very large part through my disposition and the truths of liturgy that you have taught. &#8230; &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Precisely how the (Novus Ordo) Mass in my parish was celebrated this morning. Everything absolutely perfect from the moment the priest processed in silently carrying the chalice in its veil topped with burse, <\/font><\/i> <!--more--><br \/>\n<i><font color=\"#333399\">wearing Roman vestments, his eyes downcast\u2014indeed, no eye contact with the congregation was apparent at any time during the Mass\u2014until he recessed in similar silence at the end of Mass. Whenever he addressed God, even from the \u201cchair\u201d (e.g., the opening prayer and the confiteor) he turned to face the altar directly, rather than the people. For the consecration, he bowed deeply over the Host to enunciate the words of consecration slowly and distinctly. At the elevation, he raised the Host very slowly as high as he could reach and held it long enough for 3 distinct rings of the bells, before lowering it equally slowly; similarly with the Chalice. His brief sermon\u2014about how the \u201cHoly Sacrifice of the Mass\u201d (which exact phrase he mention 3 times in hardly a minute and a half) is necessary the redeem the world of Creation\u2014was beautiful and even poetic in emphasizing how necessary it is for us to offer sacrifice to God, which Holy Sacrifice alone joins us in communion. Probably half the 40 or so present received on the tongue. In short, every moment of the Mass was quietly reverent and solemn by any standard, whether old Mass or new Mass. At no point did the personality of the priest intrude on the person of Christ for whom he was acting. His every gesture was precise and careful as his words\u2014for instance, bowing his head at every mention of the Holy Name throughout the Mass. I realize that this type of daily Mass is not typical of most local parishes. &#8230; &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Well said. If the clergy stick to the books- the laity will too. If the clergy want to get creative- be creative in the Homily. I would like to add clergy who don\u2019t stick to the books encourage laity to be disobedient too. &#8230; &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Some people have said (I hope I got this right) that if priests simply followed the rubrics and did what the Church asked, there would have been far less anguish and upheaval on account of the liturgy following Vatican II. Still, it is not simply a matter of the priest desiring to follow the rubrics. Fr. Peter Stravinskas has written that he would die a happy priest if he could simply celebrate the mass of Paul VI as it was intended to be celebrated \u2013 which I take to mean that there are circumstances and pressures which are obstacles to his doing this (on a regular basis at least).<\/p>\n<p>If you actually look at all the rubrics in the mass (Novus Ordo), though they are less numerous and involved than the extraordinary form, you might be surprised. There are many that I almost never see done \u2013 bowing at the consecration, or at the \u201cBy the power of the Holy Spirit . . \u201d in the Creed, for example. The Novus Ordo is not as \u201cloose\u201d as you might have been led to believe.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lesere av bloggen blir nok ikke overraska n\u00e5r jeg igjen nevner temaet om hvordan messen best skal feires. Presten skal helst ikke komme i veien, ikke stikke seg fram, er budskapet i dag. Slik skriver en prest om reaksjoner han fikk etter en messe: I have a story to tell and I am not bragging [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3889","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3889","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3889"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3889\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5346,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3889\/revisions\/5346"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3889"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3889"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3889"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}