{"id":4092,"date":"2009-06-28T19:45:04","date_gmt":"2009-06-28T17:45:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1923"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:23:37","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:23:37","slug":"hvordan-og-hvorfor-feires-messen-ad-orientem","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2009\/06\/hvordan-og-hvorfor-feires-messen-ad-orientem\/","title":{"rendered":"Hvordan (og hvorfor) feire messen ad orientem?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"center\"> <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/blog\/bilde\/c_dinardo_adorientem.jpg\"\/> <\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">(Bildet over viser kardinal DiNardo, Houston.)<\/p>\n<p>Jeg leste nylig et sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l om hvodan man skal feire messen vendt mot alteret\/Gud, om man \u00f8nsker det n\u00e5r man feirer den nye messen. Det er egentlig ganske enkelt, og b\u00e5de biskop Eidsvig og biskop Schwenzer gj\u00f8r dette med st\u00f8ste letthet, helt korrekt. (Jeg forst\u00e5r at det har blitt mer vanlig i det siste \u00e5 bruke hovedalteret om man l\u00e5ner en stor statskirke til en konfirmasjsmesse eller lignende.) Men jeg har ogs\u00e5 sett prester som har gjort dette fullstendig feil &#8211; og snudd seg mot folk aktfor mange ganger &#8211; s\u00e5 det passer nok \u00e5 ta opp sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/2009\/06\/quaeritur-how-to-celebrate-novus-ordo-masses-ad-orientem\/\">Slik svarer father Z<\/a>:<br \/>\n<i><font color=\"#333399\">I recommend that, if you begin at the &laquo;chair&raquo; rather than directly at the altar (as of old) you might face toward the liturgical &laquo;north&raquo; for the open dialogue, perhaps with a slight turn to the congregation for the &laquo;Dominus vobiscum&raquo; and turn to the altar for the Collect.<\/p>\n<p>During the readings, sit.  Do the Gospel from the ambo.  In other words, they are done in the usual way.<\/p>\n<p>At the altar do everything ad orientem turning to the congregation for the &laquo;Orate fratres&raquo; and the &laquo;Ecce Agnus Dei&raquo; &#8211; the Pax Domini and the invitation the exchange the kiss of peace (if you so opt for the sign of peace) &#8211; and the final blessing.  Don\u2019t turn to the people for the Preface dialogue.  Don\u2019t turn around with the host or chalice at the consecration.  Just elevate them still facing ad orientem.<\/p>\n<p>In the Novus Ordo the Canon or Eucharistic Prayer is to be said aloud.  Simply use the level of voice indicated in the rubrics.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n<p>Jeg foretekker selv absolutt \u00e5 feire messe versus Deum (men det er dessverre ikke ofte det er mulig i dag), og \u00e5 ha prestens stol p\u00e5 siden av koret, og ikke bak alteret (og den muligheten har man litt oftere). Et argument for horfor messefeiring versus Deum er \u00e5 foretrekke fant jeg i en kommentar til innlegget jeg referert til over: <i><font color=\"#333399\">At one parish I announced I would be celebrating mass ad orientem, and one person, a convert, vigorously objected. Later that week, he attended a businessman\u2019s prayer gathering where the prayer leader invited all to face the crucifix and pray. Then it dawned on the man why I wanted the assembly at Mass to face the same direction together.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(Bildet over viser kardinal DiNardo, Houston.) Jeg leste nylig et sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l om hvodan man skal feire messen vendt mot alteret\/Gud, om man \u00f8nsker det n\u00e5r man feirer den nye messen. Det er egentlig ganske enkelt, og b\u00e5de biskop Eidsvig og biskop Schwenzer gj\u00f8r dette med st\u00f8ste letthet, helt korrekt. (Jeg forst\u00e5r at det har blitt [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4092","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4092","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4092"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4092\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5280,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4092\/revisions\/5280"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4092"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4092"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4092"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}