{"id":4101,"date":"2009-07-04T12:13:26","date_gmt":"2009-07-04T10:13:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1933"},"modified":"2009-07-04T12:13:26","modified_gmt":"2009-07-04T10:13:26","slug":"seri%c3%b8s-og-viktig-teologisk-samtale-i-england-om-messen-som-offerhandling","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2009\/07\/seri%c3%b8s-og-viktig-teologisk-samtale-i-england-om-messen-som-offerhandling\/","title":{"rendered":"Seri\u00f8s og viktig teologisk samtale i England – om messen som offerhandling"},"content":{"rendered":"

En katolsk journalist i England, Moyra Doorly, har skrevet at par interessante artikler i The Catholic Herald om forandringene i messen, som ble innf\u00f8rt for f\u00f8rti \u00e5r siden. F\u00f8rst analyserer hun<\/a> SSPX’s vurderinger av konsilet og noen viktige kirkelige dokumenter om messen (og ser ut til \u00e5 v\u00e6re enig med dem i stor grad). Deretter stiller hun noen viktige sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l<\/a> til dominikaneren Fr Aidan Nichols<\/a> om sine bekymringer om katolske messer i v\u00e5r tid.<\/p>\n

Fr Nichols<\/a> er i sitt svar bare delvis enig med henne, men skriver likevel:
\n … the scale of this reform, even had its components been entirely felicitous, was imprudently chosen, since of its nature liturgical life has to strike people as something that happens, not as something that is planned. In the Latin church, in countries like our own, the effects have been at times deeply disorienting, as is obvious to someone coming into the Church (like myself) in the 1960s, and is readily discovered by the inquiring minder of a convert of later date (such as yourself). One of the principal sufferers has been the sense of the Holy Eucharist as a sacrificial act, since the combined effect of textual, ritual and architectural changes (by the latter I have in mind the almost universal adoption of celebration facing the people) has been – unintentionally, of course – to weaken the sense that this sacrament is the renewed Calvary of the Church’s oblation. And this is especially so when these changes are underpinned (as, unfortunately, is often the case) by a catechetics which prefers to concentrate virtually unilaterally on the more easily assimilable theme of the Eucharistic banquet.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n

Debatten handler aller mest om p\u00e5 hvilken m\u00e5te messen er et offer til soning for v\u00e5re synder – ting som jeg flere ganger har tatt opp p\u00e5 denne blogen. Den handler ogs\u00e5 om om det var bestemmelser om messen fra tida etter konsilet som forandra messen s\u00e5 dramatisk, eller om det var selve tekstene (eller i alle fall tydelige tendenser) fra Vatikanum II som innf\u00f8rte den nye forst\u00e5elsen.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

En katolsk journalist i England, Moyra Doorly, har skrevet at par interessante artikler i The Catholic Herald om forandringene i messen, som ble innf\u00f8rt for f\u00f8rti \u00e5r siden. F\u00f8rst analyserer hun SSPX’s vurderinger av konsilet og noen viktige kirkelige dokumenter om messen (og ser ut til \u00e5 v\u00e6re enig med dem i stor grad). Deretter […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[15],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4101","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-teologi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4101","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4101"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4101\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4101"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4101"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4101"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}