{"id":4161,"date":"2009-09-03T11:18:39","date_gmt":"2009-09-03T09:18:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/1996"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:23:33","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:23:33","slug":"hvor-mye-hjelpemateriale-har-folk-nytte-av-i-tlm-messen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2009\/09\/hvor-mye-hjelpemateriale-har-folk-nytte-av-i-tlm-messen\/","title":{"rendered":"Hvor mye hjelpemateriale har folk nytte av i (TLM-)messen?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Det er for s\u00e5 vidt et generelt sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l; n\u00e5r man skal ha en seremoni (i kirken eller andre steder); er det fornutfig \u00e5 dele ut programmer som sv\u00e6rt detaljert beskriver hva som skal skje? Personlig gir jeg f.eks. hele d\u00e5psliturgien til d\u00e5psforeldrene f\u00f8r d\u00e5pen (og ber dem se p\u00e5 den hjemme), men jeg ber dem vanligvis om \u00e5 IKKe trykke dem opp og dele dem ut til alle som skal v\u00e6re til stede i d\u00e5pen &#8211; for da blir folk bare st\u00e5ende og se ned i arket.<\/p>\n<p>N\u00e5r det gjelder \u00e5 forst\u00e5 den gamle messen, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newliturgicalmovement.org\/2009\/09\/do-mass-booklets-at-ef-help-or-hinder.html\">blir det ogs\u00e5 diskutert HER<\/a> om det er nyttig \u00e5 ha hele liturgien og alle tekstene foran seg p\u00e5 et ark n\u00e5r man som ukjent skal delta i den tradisjonelle latinske messen de f\u00f8rste gangene. Selv har jeg ikkke noe klart svar p\u00e5 dette, men syns diskusjonen er interessant:<\/p>\n<p><i><font color=\"#333399\">An issue has come up with the first extraordinary form Mass in a local parish: whether to distribute those large red books with the complete text of the Mass, including all parts said in a low voice, or whether to only distribute minimalist aids with propers and readings.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been to many first-time EF Masses and it is my strong impression that these red books can be a hindrance rather than a help to those who are attending for the first time. People who use them as if they are like the Missallete &#8212; a linear account of what happens &#8212; and end up completely lost, and flipping through pages for an hour trying to find out what is going on, and feel sort of left out and stupid because they can&#8217;t follow along.<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, they end up spending the entire Mass with their heads in a booklet rather than watching and listening and appreciating the beauty. &#8230; &#8230;<br \/>\n  <\/font><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Det er for s\u00e5 vidt et generelt sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l; n\u00e5r man skal ha en seremoni (i kirken eller andre steder); er det fornutfig \u00e5 dele ut programmer som sv\u00e6rt detaljert beskriver hva som skal skje? 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