{"id":4179,"date":"2009-09-18T11:04:58","date_gmt":"2009-09-18T09:04:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/2014"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:02:14","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:02:14","slug":"de-unge-elsker-ordenen-symmetrien-disiplinen-konsentrasjonen-fokuset-pa-b%c3%b8nn-og-stillheten","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2009\/09\/de-unge-elsker-ordenen-symmetrien-disiplinen-konsentrasjonen-fokuset-pa-b%c3%b8nn-og-stillheten\/","title":{"rendered":"De unge elsker ordenen, symmetrien, disiplinen, konsentrasjonen, fokuset p\u00e5 b\u00f8nn, og stillheten"},"content":{"rendered":"

P\u00e5 Continuity-bloggen<\/a> fant jeg en lenke til et intervjue med Fr Kramer, FSSP-presten i Roma (som er ansvarlig for kirken i Roma der den gamle messen feires daglig). Han ble nylig intervjuet p\u00e5 Vatikanradioen (p\u00e5 engelsk) om ulike sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5lsstillinger rundt den gamle messen – intervjuet kan h\u00f8res her<\/a> (rm-format).<\/p>\n

Jeg h\u00f8rte det nosk\u00e5 korte intervjuet og Fr. Kramer sier at de har noen eldre som kommer i messen, siden de fortsatt liker den gamle foremn best, og er glade for at den n\u00e5 er tilbake. Men det er flest mennesker under 25 som kommer til den gamle messen, fordi de elsker: «ordenen, symmetrien, disiplinen, konsentrasjonen, fokuset p\u00e5 b\u00f8nn, og stillheten» som denne messen gir.<\/p>\n

Fr Kramer sier ogs\u00e5 at Kirken tidligere hadde v\u00e6rt for streng, at det bl.a. var for lite kontakt mellom biskoper og prester. Samfunnet generelt var ogs\u00e5 strengt, man hadde kjempet seg gjennom depresjonen p\u00e5 30-tallet, deretter krigen. Man var alts\u00e5 klar til \u00e5 forandre en hel del av disse reglene (og det som ble oppfattet som for strengt), ogs\u00e5 i liturgien – men «senere har man forst\u00e5tt at man t\u00f8mte ut barnet med badevannet»<\/em>.<\/p>\n

P\u00e5 Continuity-bloggen skriver Fr. Tim Finigan ogs\u00e5 dette<\/a> om sin reaksjon p\u00e5 intervjuet: Another important consideration is the reverence with which Mass is celebrated. One side of the «mutual enrichment» is surely that with the celebration in the vernacular of the newer form of the Roman Rite, it is much less acceptable for the priest to gabble through the rite, paying little attention to the words, in order to finish the Mass as quickly as possible. I think that this has fed into the present-day celebration of the usus antiquior. You are probably not going to come across the celebration of Low Mass in fifteen minutes. In that sense too, there is no going back.<\/p>\n

The usus antiquior does not encourage the priest to impose his own personality on the Mass – you say the prayers devoutly and carefully but without arbitrarily imposed delays. Nevertheless, I think that priests who say the EF Mass nowadays do not do so in irreverent haste.<\/p>\n

For the celebration of the newer form in the vernacular, we can also learn from this mutual enrichment. The Mass is not the place for the priest to show off his communication skills, to entertain the congregation, or even to show how devout he is by his pauses, his pious emphasis of certain words, or his theatrical expression. Our task is to say Mass devoutly, and to allow the Holy Spirit to speak through the Liturgy itself.
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P\u00e5 Continuity-bloggen fant jeg en lenke til et intervjue med Fr Kramer, FSSP-presten i Roma (som er ansvarlig for kirken i Roma der den gamle messen feires daglig). Han ble nylig intervjuet p\u00e5 Vatikanradioen (p\u00e5 engelsk) om ulike sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5lsstillinger rundt den gamle messen – intervjuet kan h\u00f8res her (rm-format). Jeg h\u00f8rte det nosk\u00e5 korte intervjuet […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4179","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4179","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4179"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4179\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4992,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4179\/revisions\/4992"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4179"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4179"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4179"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}