{"id":4219,"date":"2009-10-17T14:28:02","date_gmt":"2009-10-17T12:28:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/2054"},"modified":"2012-06-06T22:26:00","modified_gmt":"2012-06-06T20:26:00","slug":"skal-den-norske-kirke-ogsa-offisielt-foretrekke-a-feire-messen-versus-populum","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2009\/10\/skal-den-norske-kirke-ogsa-offisielt-foretrekke-a-feire-messen-versus-populum\/","title":{"rendered":"Skal Den norske kirke (ogs\u00e5) offisielt foretrekke \u00e5 feire messen versus populum?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Jeg er (som de fleste vet) oppvokst i Den norske lutherske kirke, og var alltid vant til at presten vendte seg mot Gud n\u00e5r han ba – og ingen av oss tenkte en gang p\u00e5 at det kunne gj\u00f8res p\u00e5 en annen m\u00e5te. Men den norske kirke har de siste \u00e5rene langsomt snudd noen alter – ved nybygg og ombygging av kirker – og jeg fikk i g\u00e5r en e-post fra en prest i Den norske kirke, som skriver:<\/p>\n

«Jeg ser at du har dratt i striden for den gamle latinske messen. Jeg har – som luthersk prest – ikke behov for \u00e5 mene noe om det. Men for en tid tilbake gjenga du en uttalelse fra en engelsk kirkeleder om det \u00e5 feire messen vendt mot forsamlingen, eller mot \u00f8st. Han karakteriserte den f\u00f8rste ordningen med noe a la «at en gruppe hadde samlet seg for \u00e5 snakke om Gud<\/strong>«. Nei, dette var langt fra det rette sitatet, men kanskje du husker hvordan det egentlig l\u00f8d? Jeg kan ikke finne det igjen, s\u00e5 jeg er glad om du kunne hjelpe meg. Statskirkens liturgireform kan jo nemlig inneb\u00e6re at ogs\u00e5 versus populum blir normalordning ogs\u00e5 hos oss.»<\/i><\/p>\n

Jeg svarte ham at det kanskje kunne v\u00e6re i dette innlegget, men kanskje det heller er i dette, eller i noen eldre innlegg: kommentarene til 1795<\/a>, i 1719<\/a> eller 1669<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Kanskje noen av leserne husker bedre enn meg hvor dette stod p\u00e5 bloggen?
\nOPPDATERING: Sitatet st\u00e5r HER<\/a> – det er biskop Edward Slattery, i Tulsa, Oklahoma, som har begynt \u00e5 feire messen p\u00e5 sin domkirkes h\u00f8yalter, ad orentem. Meldinga var fra august i \u00e5r. Takk til Tor.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Jeg er (som de fleste vet) oppvokst i Den norske lutherske kirke, og var alltid vant til at presten vendte seg mot Gud n\u00e5r han ba – og ingen av oss tenkte en gang p\u00e5 at det kunne gj\u00f8res p\u00e5 en annen m\u00e5te. Men den norske kirke har de siste \u00e5rene langsomt snudd noen alter […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4219","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4219","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4219"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4219\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6866,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4219\/revisions\/6866"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4219"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4219"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4219"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}